r2 pulleys for charger

[Endl98]

I'm swapping the supercharged engine and 4psd into the white 63 . That is why I bought the red 63. Then I'll drop the 327 and the 2004r I have into the red one. Fix up the body a bit and sell it off. I wanted the white one to have rea study charged motor in it. The look on people's faces when I open the hood, is disappointing when they see a sbc. The look on my customers faces when they see the stude charged motors their jaws drop.

[daytonadave]

I remember reading an article back in 1971 about the Pontiac 421 engine's weight. It was very close to my Studebaker 289 motor. I recently read a thread of someone removing 5 lb. out of a Studebaker head doing a porting job.

[karterfred88]

I'm swapping the supercharged engine and 4psd into the white 63 . That is why I bought the red 63. Then I'll drop the 327 and the 2004r I have into the red one. Fix up the body a bit and sell it off. I wanted the white one to have rea study charged motor in it. The look on people's faces when I open the hood, is disappointing when they see a sbc. The look on my customers faces when they see the stude charged motors their jaws drop.

Like I said in post #6 the Chev don't look as cool. Why worry about weight, it's going back to "close" to what it was, it'll be happy and still a fun ride.

[Endl98]

I am not really worried about the weight, I just will have to replace the front springs as I know my dad cut them and they are extremely stiff. I am just surprised on how heavy it is. I was planning on a LS3- procharger 6 speed build but decided the frame mods was not what I wanted to do.

[R3 challenger]

About the acceleration of an R2, look at the Pure Stock Drags, where cars must be stock (no headers, street tires, full exhaust, etc.) and everyone is on an equal playing field. One of the hottest 327s made in the '60s was the 1966 327/350 HP Chevy II, a very light car (lighter than any Lark V8, as certified by the scales at the Pure Stock Drags). Ted Harbit has beat one of those several times with his stock R2 Lark, the Stude Tomato--both cars were four speeds, well set up, and well driven. The Chevy II driver is experienced and good. Ted points out that Peter Sant, Chuck Kern (R2 Avantis), and even Richard Poe (R1 '63 Lark) have beat 327 Chevies at the Pure Stock Drags.

Having attended the Pure Stock Drags since 1998, I don't remember a stock 327-powered Chevy ever beating an R2 Studebaker there, and I have the spread sheets for every year for all cars entered in that event. It may have happened, but it would be pretty rare.

Back in 1963, the editor of a prominent car magazine wrote that one of the more interesting races he ever had with his 327/dual four-barrel/1957 Chevy was when he got beat by a 1963 supercharged Super Lark. I have a copy of that article.

So if a stock R2 Lark loses to a stock 327 Chevy, chances are the R2 wasn't running right. (I'm not talking about Corvettes here---they are lighter and have better weight distribution, although R2 Studes have beat some 327 Corvettes at the Pure Stock Drags, too).

George

[wise raymond]

Thank you George!

[karterfred88]

Well, I see it this way. End98 has one of each. A 300HP 327 Avanti with a Powerslide and an R2/3 clone 4 speed. He says the R2 is disappointing in comparison. Me I'm perfectly happy with my Avanti R2 0-60 time of 7.8 with the 4.09 rear. I have a 412HP stock mustang that does it in 4.3 ( almost check your pants quick) and gets 25 MPG on trips. Each has a piece of my soul for what it is. Besides my 63 289 GT 2V 4 speed used to eat the local 283 fuel injected vette, used to have to open the hood to prove what it was, till I got my first 80 in a 40 zone ticket.

[Endl98]

well this car I just bought has been sitting for quite some time , close to at least 7 years from when JDP supposedly did the build. I cleaned out the carb today changed the plugs, 4 cylinders are a bit oil soaked, the charger weeps a bit of trans fluid. it is not running optimal I threw the plate from my white 63 on it , it bogs and runs so poor I could barely accelerate past 40 mph. it had absolutely no power in 2nd 3rd or 4th gear,'

now. I have owned 5 chevy II novas with small blocks, from stock 283 to 500 hp small block. even the stock 283 was quicker than the red car in this state. Drag racing is way different than street driving.
I own a 70 nova BBC 600hp with a overdrive auto . its very fun to drive, I also have a 63 nova wagon that is LS3 powered with a crate 525hp motor, so by comparison, this car is very slow. my daily is a 2005 ctsv.

if a stock r2 can pull a 327 350 hp chevy II, I will be darn impressed, I have seen those L79 novas do high 12's stock in the 1/4 . If that is the case this red one is a very poor example. I hope i can square it out.

[Endl98]

i just put my vacuum / pressure gauge on the hose off the manifold. the car has no boost, the charger blows like a freaking leaf blower, so what can be the problem? it idles att 22inches and goes to 0 at max rpm. no boost, i can blow into the gauge and get 3psi. so i know my gauge works.

[64V-K7]

I've never seen an R2 ( in good shape) idle at any more than 15-17. Even at idle speed, the Paxton is pressurizing the manifold, somewhat ineffective, but still countering one atmosphere a good bit.

[Endl98]

odd?? well tomorrow ill use one of my techs gauges and recheck, if 17 is normal. and I read 22. 0 could equate to a few lbs of boost, come to think of it the rubber fuel line does move when I rev the car in idle. I remember seeing it swell like it had pressure boost when I was checking the secondaries , to make sure they are opening. but that just leaves me to feeling the car is not right and sluggish. my friends super hawk definitely out powers this , I will have his car back in my shop to swap out his rear leafs next week,

[R3 challenger]

This thread began with a comparison of a relatively stock R2 to a stock 327; my response was limited to that comparison. There are other topics, such as the occasion in 2014 when the Plain Brown Wrapper (in Pure Stock trim) beat a new Hurst Camaro in a heads-up race at the Martin Michigan drag strip, or the time at Muncie Dragstrip back around 2006 or so when the Wrapper beat a new 6-speed Z-06 Corvette (twice in the same evening). I still have the time slips from those races.

But getting back to the original topic, a Pure Stock 327 with no significant mods is unlikely, in most cases, to beat a properly tuned, good running R2. That's been proven over and over on that level playing field mentioned above. One-off, anecdotal stories are interesting to read, but the Pure Stock Drags gives a great--and accurate--measure of how well-tuned, unmodified cars would have performed on the street back in the 1960s-1970s. There just weren't enough R2 Studes around back then to make an impression on a national level, and the present day state of tune of the average R2 out there doesn't give us a good comparison, when fresh, properly built SBCs are readily available.

George

[Endl98]

what kind of 1/4 mile times and trap speed are we talking here. 15 sec , 14 sec 13 sec??

[karterfred88]

well this car I just bought has been sitting for quite some time , close to at least 7 years from when JDP supposedly did the build. I cleaned out the carb today changed the plugs, 4 cylinders are a bit oil soaked, the charger weeps a bit of trans fluid. it is not running optimal I threw the plate from my white 63 on it , it bogs and runs so poor I could barely accelerate past 40 mph. it had absolutely no power in 2nd 3rd or 4th gear,'

now. I have owned 5 chevy II novas with small blocks, from stock 283 to 500 hp small block. even the stock 283 was quicker than the red car in this state. Drag racing is way different than street driving.
I own a 70 nova BBC 600hp with a overdrive auto . its very fun to drive, I also have a 63 nova wagon that is LS3 powered with a crate 525hp motor, so by comparison, this car is very slow. my daily is a 2005 ctsv.

if a stock r2 can pull a 327 350 hp chevy II, I will be darn impressed, I have seen those L79 novas do high 12's stock in the 1/4 . If that is the case this red one is a very poor example. I hope i can square it out.

Key words "stock" or "prepared stock" http://www.hotrod.com/cars/featured/...ark-superhero/

12.74 seems close- but this isn't an Avanti.

[nels]

what kind of 1/4 mile times and trap speed are we talking here. 15 sec , 14 sec 13 sec??

Seems like Ted has been into the high 12's with the R2 Tomato and the R3 Wrapper typically turns a couple tenths quicker. I've been in both these cars and they are impressive. I've also been in Richard Poe's R1 Lark and it was no slouch by any means! The blower cars do need to be set up right and when they are they are wicked fast.