Engine: 1947 Champion Oil Filter (Cartridge) for old Fram F3-P2 / F4-P2

[mbhdesign]

[jclary]

Something is a little confusing here. Does your car have an oil filter? Since oil filters were "Options"...my understanding is that they are all "bypass" filters. If you are asking about a filter "element" with a bypass feature, it really doesn't matter. Only full flow filters should benefit from a by-pass feature in case the filter clogged.

If you have a factory supplied "canister" style filter, you should be able to find the correct filter number in your manual. If you have one of many aftermarket filters available "back in the day"...it would be best to remove the old element, and get the number. That should allow you to go to NAPA, or the parts store of your choosing, to get a replacement element.

[mbhdesign]

Hi jclary,

Sorry to cause confusion. I'll try to explain with some better detail.

My '47 Champion has a Fram F3-P2 "Oil Filter with mounting strap" installed. It's also shown in my 1947-1950 Chassis Parts manual (on page 28) as Illustration #0118-1A and Part #519836. I've attached a pic of the page showing that page and the different Oil Filters, and cartridges, in use.



Here's where I have likely caused confusion. I believe this "Oil Filter with mounting strap" once contained a canister or cartridge of some kind. Right now, mine has nothing inside. So, I don't have an old cartridge part to work from. The Chassis Manual refers to the "missing" cartridge assembly as Part #197482. However, I assume that's a Studebaker part number.

General searches online relating to a Fram F3 or Fram F3-P2 haven't given me much information at all, and nothing in the way of a correctly fitting cartridge part.
The 3 cartridges I did find all relate to a Fram P4. Closest I could locate without help.

Now, having said all this, it is also possible that I'm looking for something that doesn't exist and was never there in the first place. I've done that before!

Does that help my question make more sense? My apologies in advance if not.

Thanks,
Michael

[jclary]

Yes, that clears it up. I might have an old element lying out somewhere in my clutter. If I stumble across it before someone offers an answer, I'll let you know. Problem is, I may have already discarded it. The last one I changed was on my '51 Land Cruiser. I bought that one at NAPA, and it came with extra gaskets to fit additional canisters. I also have this type of filter on my old 8N tractor. I've never checked to see if the same element will work on the filters for the Studebakers.

[41 Frank]

The cartridge in my '52's Fram canister is WIX part # 51006. It is a bypass type filter system as most Studebakers were until the middle of 1962. You can cross that to a Fram or Purolator.

[paul shuffleburg]

The NAPA number is 1006. They're about $12.00 each.

[rockne10]

Here's a hundred or so options. Lately, I would avoid the Fram and go with Purolator or Wix. Fram is half the filter it used to be.

http://www.framcatalog.com/PartDetail.aspx?b=F&pn=C3

[greyben]

I believe the Fram C4 was used on Commanders. The smaller F3 filter was used on Champions. If I remember correctly it uses a Fram C3 or equivalent filter.

[TWChamp]

Yes, my 1950 Champion uses the C3 filter.

[mbhdesign]

Thanks all for your wise and comprehensive advice! I really appreciate it.

Looks like a Fram C3 / Fram C3P shares compatibility with a WIX 51010, a Purolator L20701 and a NAPA 1010.
Just in case anyone else needs that info.

Many thanks again,
Michael (mbhdesign)

[JRC]

My 48 Champion convertible uses the Fram C3....

[1952 champion]

My 1952 Champion has no filter canister on it presently. Sunday, while looking at the Midland Michigan Antique Days Festival, I came across a Fram canister that has never been installed. It is orange in color with a black lid on top. A decal on the lid says Fram Filcron oil & motor cleaner, Model F3-15B P2. It goes on to say, Use Replacement Cartridge # C-3 or C-3P2 Fram Corp. Providence 16 R.I. The decal on the round part of the canister says pretty much the same except for the part that says "The Dip Stick tells The Story" "Look at It". I will be installing it soon. Nice to know other Studebakers have the same C-3 Cartridge....

[1952 champion]

Could anyone offer any info. on where the oil canister mounts on the 1952 Champion flathead 6? I`ve seen an image on Google that shows canister mounted just the right side of the oil fill tube and has a flexible return hose from bottom of canister running into the bottom of the oil fill tube with steel fittings. It shows the top line of canister, copper tube routed to the opposite side of the engine, but does not show the location of the port. Any info. appreciated.

[avantibngrant]

I use the Fram C4 in my 47 Champion. Same as the 52 Champion I used to have took as does my Cockshutt 40 tractor with the Buda B230 engine. I think there was a smaller oil filter which took the C3 available also for the Champion, but both of the Champions I have had take/took the C4.

[StudeRich]

Could anyone offer any info. on where the oil canister mounts on the 1952 Champion flathead 6? I`ve seen an image on Google that shows canister mounted just the right side of the oil fill tube and has a flexible return hose from bottom of canister running into the bottom of the oil fill tube with steel fittings. It shows the top line of canister, copper tube routed to the opposite side of the engine, but does not show the location of the port. Any info. appreciated.

All of the 1/8 Inch Pipe Plugs on the Passenger side of the Block have Oil Pressure to the Camshaft, if the threaded Hole in the Oil Pump is Plugged instead of used for the Oil Gauge, you can use that instead, or use a "T" Fitting for both.