Is this a Studebaker engine? (w/ pics)

[Dwain G.]

Ceol,
Is that a stamped number? Where on the engine block is it located? Still need more info, but for now I'm calling it a 1950 engine.

Everyone else, is that engine number chart on the SDC site all screwed up for you? The rows of numbers are out of line for me, I don't know how you can read it!

Dwain G.

[Ceol]

The number is stamped, and located on the top front driver's side of the block, behind the water pump.

Also, my friend who has the engine at the moment tells me that the "5" in the number might actually be an "S" - she's not sure.

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by Dwain G.

Ceol,
Is that a stamped number? Where on the engine block is it located? Still need more info, but for now I'm calling it a 1950 engine.

Everyone else, is that engine number chart on the SDC site all screwed up for you? The rows of numbers are out of line for me, I don't know how you can read it!

Dwain G.

Rows are in line for me, Dwain. If the stamped number is 527169 then it is a '50 Champion 170 cubic inch engine. I've never heard of the subscript and superscript, however. If it is a '50 Champion, I believe they were 80 HP. Once you pin down the year of your engine, get the appropriate reproduced shop manual from any number of Studebaker parts vendors. All the specs will be in there. All parts are available to rebuild you motor if you desire to do that. If there are any missing or broken parts, I'm sure members of this Forum can help you out.

[DilloCrafter]

I understand what Dwain is talking about (the rows and numbers being all messed up) and I know why it's doing that.

(Warning - Geeky HTML explanation here)
When that web page was made, someone painstakingly put in line break tags after each item, doing this within separate tall table cells, all in one very tall table row. This looks fine as long as your monitor screen size is wide enough. But if you narrow your browser window enough, you'll see the lines begin to get messed up, as Dwain experienced.

THE SOLUTION:
This may be a job for Mr. Shaw, as he is the webmaster. That page (and perhaps the 8 cyl. engine data page, too - I haven't looked) need to be worked on in an HTML editor. There should be a unique table row with three table cells for each line in that table. Looks like a pain to do, but it must be done, in my opinion.

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1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

[Dwain G.]

Another thing I noticed is that it is in cronological oreder based on the first row only! In the second row, the model years are all scrambled up.

Dwain G.

[Dwain G.]

Here is a sample of the letter style Studebaker used in their engine number stamps. These are pencil 'rubbings' from six cylinder engines. From top to bottom, a 1960, a 1963, and a 1964. There is a very distinct difference in the letter 'S' and the number '5'. Also notice the number '1' looks like a capitol letter 'I'. It isn't though. Studebaker didn't use the letter 'I' in car or engine serial numbers.

http://home.comcast.net/~jdwain/eng.nos.jpg

Dwain G.

[Ceol]

I'll show that rubbing photo to my friend, and comfirm whether we have a 5 or an S.

In the meantime, I noticed that on that specs page, the engine is called a "Champion (9G)". Can anyone tell me what the "(9G)" means?

[Roscomacaw]

9G would be the factory designation for a 1950 Champion automobile (a 1950 Champion would havea a 169.6cu.in. flathead 6).
8G would be a '49. 10G would be a '51 and 12G would be a '52 (they skipped 11G & 13G in the sequence and then only went to 16G ('55 Champion) before switching the designators to a different code.

That superscript 9 over an RC might be someone's code to show that this was a replacement block. Just guessing of course, but I'd bet dealers did such things to track repairs they did. Often, they'd have transferred the original engine number because it was common in that era to use engine numbers for VIN numbers.[B)] Seems goofy by today's standards but then alot of what we take for granted of our world would FLOOR someone from 1950![:0]

Miscreant at large.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

[Dwain G.]

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs


That superscript 9 over an RC might be someone's code to show that this was a replacement block. Just guessing of course, but I'd bet dealers did such things to track repairs they did. Often, they'd have transferred the original engine number because it was common in that era to use engine numbers for VIN numbers.[B)] Seems goofy by today's standards but then alot of what we take for granted of our world would FLOOR someone from 1950![:0]
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I wondered the same thing Bob. I also sat and doodled with that 9RC trying to turn it into a cloverleaf.









1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President 2-dr
1955 President State
1951 Champion Biz cpe
1963 Daytona project FS

Dwain G.

[Walt Zander]

Ceol
"I should have a number for you guys this evening, but in the meantime here's a photo of the markings on the top of the head. Any idea what they mean?"

The pointer located between the D and N, indicates which shift cast the head - Day or Night. That is what I was told as a youngster.
But I was told a lot which escaped me then and now.[8D]



'49 Champion Starlight Coupe
1936 Miller Replica/ Stude driveline
Fond du Lac,Wisconsin

[keeffer]

what that engine is, is a continential engine used by studebaker, dodge,
pylmouth,nash ,and forklifts

keith kirchhoff
brockport ny 14420

[Transtar60]

quote:Originally posted by keeffer

what that engine is, is a continential engine used by studebaker, dodge,
pylmouth,nash ,and forklifts

keith kirchhoff
brockport ny 14420

Sorry Keith but thats a Champion engine, a very common swap into Jeeps
as it bolted right up to the Jeeps T-84/T90 tranny

The only question is what year/cubic inch that it is.
Studebaker built their own engines with few exceptions,
like diesel trucks and the 65-66's

[keeffer]

it looks just like my 49 dodge flathead six

keith kirchhoff
brockport ny 14420

[DilloCrafter]

Keith,
Thanks for bringing up that Continental engine. I had no knowledge of it, so a web search turned up this page with a photo and the statement that they were used in countless industrial applications:

http://www.foleyengines.com/TechTips/TechTip36.html

I also found a page that said Jeep started putting the flathead 6 Continental motor in some Jeep pickups, but discontinued it because, in the website author's opinion, it "was a lemon":

http://www.vannattabros.com/truck49.html

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1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

[Transtar60]

Dillo,
Thats why the Stude V8 was a popular swap into Jeep Pickups and Wagons.
My Dad unfortunately had a 2wd Jeep wagon in the early sixties.
Dont know if it had a Conti engine but he traded it for a 48 Chevy sedan after the timing chain broke.