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  • Body / Glass: Split Windshield Installation Instructions

    I am putting these instructions in a new thread which I hope will come up easier in searches.

    This will recap our experience installing a split windshield with reveal molding in a 1946 Champion Business Coupe. There certainly are other materials and methods to do this job, but hopefully this will add to the overall base of knowledge for installing split windshields, as there seems to be very little information available about how to do it, either online or in Studebaker literature. Two experienced glass installers worked together on the job.

    The 1946 Champion split windshield is installed from inside the car, not outside.
    Before starting, make sure the windshield pinch weld area is free of lumps of body filler, or bends that could cause a pressure point on the glass and break it, or cause a leak.
    Clean the area where the gasket will seal to get rid of any oil or grease.
    Avoid putting water or other lubricants on the gasket or glass at this time, as it could prevent the glass bedding compound from sealing. If the glass is cleaned, let it dry before inserting it into the gasket.

    We first put both windshield pieces in the gasket on a work table outside the car (without the divider bar) and then attempted to install the glasses together as one unit. This did not work for us and the attempt was ended quickly, as it was just too much to handle for this application.
    Next, the gasket with only the passenger side glass in it, was installed using the rope in method. There are a number of detailed videos for the rope method available, so I will not add anything about it except to say make sure a very strong cord is used, as it has to be pulled pretty hard and a break would be a real mess. I personally would avoid cotton or jute cord and use either nylon or polyester.

    We made sure that the two internal rectangular "tabs" on the gasket which separate the windshield pieces were centered on the glass, and in the center of the windshield opening.From the inside, slant the top of the glass toward the rear of the car. Push the lower edge of the gasket assembly out over the body, and beginning in the center, rope the gasket over the body and work toward the corner. Then up to the upper corner and around to center. The glass is a tight fit and it takes time, effort, and care not to damage anything.

    The large suction handles used by the installers were VERY key tools in positioning the glass. Also, the installers had metal hooks which were a big help in pulling the gasket into position over the body and glass, especially when things got very tight and the rope needed some help moving ahead. I bought a couple of small, inexpensive suction tools at Harbor Freight to use, but we ended up using the installer's cups. You will be miles ahead to use the cups.

    After the first glass was in, the gasket was pushed into place on the driver's side to check the fit and do any repositioning required. Then the driver's side glass was inserted into it in the lower area of the gasket, and then roped into place the rest of the way around. The glass was then pushed with the cups and bumped into position fully seated in the gasket, and gasket to the body was pushed with fingers to seat fully on the body.

    Most of the information I have been able to review indicates that that the glass will leak if the gaskets aren't sealed. 3M part number 08509 Auto Bedding and Glazing Compound sealer was used and it is messy to cleanup, as other users have stated. I used a non-petroleum based wax and grease remover on terry cloth for clean up. It requires more work, but I believe is easier on the paint than mineral spirits or some other options.

    We chose to add the sealer after the gasket and glass were installed, as it was much less messy than roping the gasket over a bead of sealer placed on the body first. A really useful thing we did was to put masking tape around the gasket before applying the sealer, both on the body and on the glass. The excess sealer ended up on the tape and it was very easy to remove it. We put sealer between the gasket and the body, and between the gasket and the glass. It helped to have a very small tip cut on the tube when doing this, and one of the guys pulled a gasket hook in front of the sealer tube so the tip could fit into the tighter spaces. The sealer is thick, so take your time. Two tubes was enough to install the windshield, quarter windows and back glass.

    At this point, it was time for the reveal molding stainless trim, and it was quite a challenge. It appears that the reproduction gasket we had does not have grooves as large for the trim as the original gasket. The installers used some spray silicon lubricant at this point to help the molding move into place. The technique which worked best for us was to push the lower, inner end of one piece of molding into the grooves at the lower, outer edge of the gasket. Once it was in the groove, push the molding toward the windshield divider, keeping it as flat as you can against the gasket, and working it into the grooves. Then work around the lower corner, up the vertical, and to center with the upper part of the trim. It took a lot of bumping with the heel of the hand, use of the hook and pushing hard with fingers.
    Repeat process for the other side.

    Next was the center windshield divider. The divider is pictured disassembled. It is made up of (in this order) the outer stainless divider trim, the triangular rubber seal with internal metal strip that wedges onto the stainless trim, the flat rubber strip, the interior trim piece, and the screws for the assembly. The stainless trim and triangular seal are assembled together before being installed between the glasses. It was a little tricky to work the triangular rubber seal into position in the stainless piece as it was a very tight fit. The edges of the stainless trim snap into grooves on each side of the seal and you will need a putty knife to push the rubber into position on the stainless.

    Stainless steel screws were used in the divider to avoid rust. Make sure they are not too long and do not distort the stainless or push it off the seal. The assembly was dry fitted between the windshield pieces, and about 3/4" had to be trimmed from both ends of the triangular seal. The installers insisted on using urethane around the divider seals, and at this point I went long with them. The divider seal was coated with a bead of the urethane and installed between the glasses from the outside. Looking from the inside, we made sure the urethane flowed into all the gaps between glass , gasket, and body.

    The flat rubber seal strip, inside trim piece and screws are then attached from inside the car. The reproduction triangular seal has a small metal strip inside it which is threaded for the screws. The strip is not very strong and can easily be bent by hand. For this reason, we chose to only tighten the screws with three fingers on the screwdriver, to avoid distorting the seal. This is not an area you want a leak.

    Best of luck. This is a tough job, don't try it by yourself. Let me know what questions you have and I will try to answer them.
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    Last edited by TXCR13; 09-24-2017, 06:13 AM. Reason: Better photo, more detail.

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    Split Windshield Installation Instructions

    Here are a few more pics that may be helpful:
    Interior view of the divider bar installed, with stainless screws, and a bit of extra length on both ends of the flat rubber seal.
    Both glass pieces in, waiting on divider installation. Make sure the split between he glasses is even top to bottom, and test fit the divider seal before applying sealer and installing.
    Divider bar in, looking for my center joint pieces to complete the installation.
    Tucking the pyramid shaped rubber seal into the metal divider. Mine was a very tight fit and the blue plastic tool helped a lot.
    Also added a pic of the reveal molding seated in the corner of the seal. It sits down tight when correctly in the grooves.
    A shot of metal ended tools similar to those we used to help rope the gasket in place, and blue plastic one which were helpful with the divider seal, and cleanup of the sealant. Note that neither hook tool should have a sharp point, which might rip the gasket.

    Also very well worth adding that the installers wore rubber gloves and avoided getting all the sealer on their hands.
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    Last edited by TXCR13; 09-24-2017, 05:58 AM. Reason: Additional photos and detail.

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    • #3
      Thanks for taking the time to make a full report of this nice job. I always wonder how they did this or equivalement jobs at the pace of an assembly line.
      Nice day to all.
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      • #4
        That is an interesting question. I guess that if it was something you did, all day, every day, you would figure out the most efficient way possible. Assembly line workers had a much harder job, back then, compared to the videos that you watch of modern day assembly. Much of the heavy lifting is done with hydraulics, specialty tools, etc, now. And the windshields go on the car in about one minute.
        Tom Senecal Not enough money or years to build all of the Studebakers that I think I can.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tsenecal View Post
          That is an interesting question. I guess that if it was something you did, all day, every day, you would figure out the most efficient way possible. Assembly line workers had a much harder job, back then, compared to the videos that you watch of modern day assembly. Much of the heavy lifting is done with hydraulics, specialty tools, etc, now. And the windshields go on the car in about one minute.
          I think that we also have to keep in mind that a lot of minor faults were corrected (or not!) by the dealers before the delivery of the car. Somewhere, I have a descriptive sheet issued by SIMCA about this. Basically, almost every accessible nut or bolt had to be checked again.
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          • #6
            Merci, Christophe!

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            • #7
              You're welcome, Steve!
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              • #8
                So, is this going to be virtually the same procedure on my 49 2R16A truck? I have the new glass and the new gasket, and a tube of 08509 caulk. Gotta tell you, I am tired just reading your account.

                May need to line up some help on this. Sherri is an angel, and always willing to help, but this looks a bit daunting. Can anyone tell me if I will also need to install from the inside? Virtually the same set up?

                Thanks for any pointers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lynn View Post
                  So, is this going to be virtually the same procedure on my 49 2R16A truck? I have the new glass and the new gasket, and a tube of 08509 caulk. Gotta tell you, I am tired just reading your account.

                  May need to line up some help on this. Sherri is an angel, and always willing to help, but this looks a bit daunting. Can anyone tell me if I will also need to install from the inside? Virtually the same set up?

                  Thanks for any pointers.
                  Wish I could help with more information, but I have only worked on one Stude. Don't know which side the glass goes in from. You will need a good helper, and I can't say enough about those suction cups for handling the glass! Invaluable!

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                  • #10
                    I have a pair of suction cups. Hopefully they aren't so old they are brittle. Will dig em out and check em out.

                    Anyone else have any additional info that might apply to a 49 C cab, that would make it any different that the the 46 Champion?

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                    • #11
                      Almost everything I have done on my cars has been with me working alone. Sometimes, I will sit in a chair and just study my task, to determine how to accomplish it without help. That is what I did back in the early 1990's when I restored my 1948 Business coupe. ( a six year project) When installing my front (split) windshields, I rigged up a pulley in the rafters of my building. Then I used a stick and foam blocks against the windshield from the inside. With a rope that ran between the two pieces of glass run through the pulley. I used a "come-along" attached inside the car so that I could pull and hold the windshields in place. That allowed me to go outside the car and work the cord to pull the gasket in place. Same technique worked on the two back glasses. The last thing installed was the center divider.

                      It would have been better with two people, but I found a way around that.
                      Last edited by jclary; 09-21-2017, 05:25 PM.
                      John Clary
                      Greer, SC

                      SDC member since 1975

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                      • #12
                        I need to put that stainless trim around the w/s of a 50 Champion. I read your instructions but I'm having a hard time even getting it started into the rubber seal. Any additional pics or instructions for getting it started?

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                        • #13
                          Hi BBStude-
                          I am what you might call a "one time expert" on this and really don't have much more to offer, but will write a few more things that may help. Sorry, but no additional pics are available. I have to admit that I did not capture that portion of the installation as well as I did the other.

                          To start, my trim was damaged by the body shop that removed it. I suggest you lay your trim on the gasket and see how well it conforms to the shape of the gasket/windshield. Any bends in it will make it much more difficult to install. I straightened mine some, but was very, very careful in doing it. I was afraid I would buckle it and ruin it, so I took my time and didn't force it.

                          I can tell you that that it required two people to get the trim in, working together, and it was still quite a struggle. Heaven forbid mine pops out of the rubber, because I will not try to put it back.

                          Once the channel was started, one person used an "L shaped" hook to help pull apart the grooves in the gasket just ahead of the edge of the trim ever now and then so the trim would slide in more easily.

                          They pushed hard with their thumbs and heel of hands to push and bump the trim into place as they pushed it toward the center of the windshield. Once the lower edge of the trim was at the center, they worked their way around the outside portion of the trim and up to the upper center, pushing, bumping and using the tool as they went.

                          As mentioned in the previous post, the guys did use a generous amount of lube on the channel and trim before attempting to install it.

                          I think that is about it. If you have any more specific question I will try to answer them. Good luck with it.

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