Automotive Blasphemy

[t walgamuth]

Just what is this big C thing?

[Bob Andrews]

Good one, bob40. I've tried many times to make that point. It falls on deaf ears in this club. I just shrug and keep going, and while it declines, I will just enjoy my life- including modifying what I own, anytime I want. Only so much a person can do.

[sweetolbob]

"It's a hobby, not a religion."

You must be new to the forum Bob

[clonelark]

Street Rodders with chips in their shoulders, that's a laugh. it isnt the Rodder that usually starts something it's the purist. Myself i have both originals and street rods, my mind is open. I feel sorry for people that only like one type of car, There are so many beautiful cars to look at.

[JoeHall]

Wait, you 'yelled every expletive you know, in every language'... at a TV... over a car that you don't own?? Yikes.

LOL. Also, I wonder who had the authority, "the asked him to leave..." a classic car show. (Authentication police?) Also, could not help but notice the OP's misspelled word (the v. they), after his attempt to denigrate others here in a recent thread about improper use of punctuation.

I also agree with Bondo Billy, its a hobby, not a religion. Especially, given the title of this thread

[JBOYLE]

Allen Barth, Studebaker restorer and owner of the great Studebaker shop in Harrington is working on projects for customers. A Packard and Auburn are both having driveline transplants but will remain stock looking. Both owners want to drive them, and despite many older Packards and Auburns go in long AACA tours, that's what they want to do.
Allen is doing an assignment, so don't get mad at him.

Here there is also a Cord-based Graham in town, it's now a street rod with a new engine and custom interior. Those mods probably saved it from being scrapped.

I love Cords, but their FWD mechanism is a bit problematic. If I really wanted to drive one that bad, I'd consider a modern FWD unit.
Why? There are plenty of stock Cords out there for posterity. I was told by Josh Malks, the late Cord expert and author that 2/3 of Cord production (mainly 4 doors) survive in one form or another. If a unseen (unless you open the hood) modification helps keep one out of the scrappers, I won't argue.

Now, if we go the extra step with modern wheels and a blingly paint scheme...that's another matter.

[56H-Y6]

If the gentleman had taken his modified Pierce-Arrow to a Classic Car Club of America (CCCA) Grand Classic, he would indeed have been ask to leave. The stated purpose of that club is preservation of the Classic car as originally constituted when built. Frequently those who don't understand that take exception, but remember "Their club, their rules". Having attended the 2011 Pierce-Arrow (PAS) show day, even examples with modified powertrains were allowed to show. Though given the riches of authentic examples of Buffalo's finest on display, the modified cars were of little interest.

If the modified Pierce-Arrow owner wished to be unquestioningly welcomed, attend rod and custom shows exclusively where that is the basic ethic and acceptance is guaranteed.

[bezhawk]

If one specifically goes to a classic /only/ car show/ club event, and gets upset when their "hot rod" is bashed, then they are the ones looking for confrontation.
Take it to a hot rod show where it would be appreciated. You take it to a group where the main objective is preservation and restoration, and then you have the balls to complain on national TV about those"jerks"???? I think he is the one with the flawed reasoning and poor manners.
Now if it is a show like the SDC that embraces modifieds with a class set up just for them, then that is a different matter.
True it's his car and he can do as he pleases, but trying to shove his point of view at the wrong place is as bad as anyone saying he "cant modify it that way"

[Son O Lark]

Just what is this big C thing?

The Constitution of the United States of America

[DEEPNHOCK]

Interesting comments...

I like all Stude's..

Having said that..
My byline is:
"I respect 'Stock' Studebakers..... I just don't have the discipline needed to build them as badly as they did when they were new".

[t walgamuth]

Interesting comments...

I like all Stude's..

Having said that..
My byline is:
"I respect 'Stock' Studebakers..... I just don't have the discipline needed to build them as badly as they did when they were new".

Good one!

[jimmijim8]

I like 'em cause the were built bad. That's why they don't bring the big bucks. Some other makes were badder built. cheers

[Scott]

and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Liberty
noun, plural liberties.1.freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.

2.freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.

3.freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hamperingconditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc.,according to choice.

4.freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint:The prisoner soon regained his liberty.


5.permission granted to a sailor, especially in the navy, to go ashore.

6.freedom or right to frequent or use a place:The visitors were given the liberty of the city.


7.unwarranted or impertinent freedom in action or speech, or a form orinstance of it:


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So you'd be OK with a guy who owns a drawing by Michelangelo adding mustaches in ink and pasting it to a phone pole? Really?

[t walgamuth]

So you'd be OK with a guy who owns a drawing by Michelangelo adding mustaches in ink and pasting it to a phone pole? Really?

No, its really more like the Mona Lisa was still alive and needing a heart transplant and a face lift.

[SASCO KID]

You can rationalize it away all you want, quote the constitution, get offended, take an "I don't care it is his car attitude", WHATEVER, but car enthusiasts used to understand that we are to a great extent, caretakers of history, automotive archeologists if you will. To take classic automobiles, often numbers matching, often low production,and change them radically, put in small blocks, big blocks, Vega engines, 2.2 4 Bangers & K-Car & Camaro Subframes , Mustang II Suspensions, LS motors, crate-motors, chop, channel, replace the chassis with a coil-over tubular one, resto-mod them, permanently altering original low production original cars is a blasphemy in my opinion. Look at 1953 C-K bodies for example, try to find a stock one, it is extremely difficult. I cringe every time a 53-54 CK Champion comes on Ebay, because I know what will happen to that car when the hot rodders get it. These cars are rolling sculpture, yet try to find a pure one. It used to be rodders did indeed save cars that restorers passed by, but after awhile they realized, why try to rebuild a rusty hulk that has been sitting in a field for 30 years, when you can buy a clean original or restored one at a reasonable price, and chop up that one. Plus, in my 50 years of being an enthusiast, I have seen countless cars that people tore apart, welded in sub-frames, gutted, chopped, or whatever, and then realized they were in over their heads, put it in the back yard to rust, or tried to sell it, and nobody wanted it, so it ended up in a junkyard somewhere, unredeemable. I love driving my original '55 Champion sedan, using the overdrive & the hill holder. IT'S FUN, IT IS SAFE and I don't need disc brakes, an "LS' motor and coil-over chassis to enjoy it. If I want that, I will buy a new Camaro. I have a supercharged Avanti & an R-1 with air. They are fun, they handle & stop well, plus I love the Studebaker V8. If I want a sports car with a Chevy motor, I will buy a Corvette ( I have owned 3 by the way). I am disturbed by the way the club, the hobby in general is going. It is a dirty shame. I work in the industry, and the ignorance about original cars is incredible. As cars change hands, often to inexperienced new owners, who then seek out Marque clubs to join for information & fun, when that club encourages the resto-mod rage that is going on, and all of their buddies tell them EFI, Rack & Pinion & Cruise control will make the car "dependable", and of course cool, the die is cast. These inexperienced people will listen to all the hype, start replacing major components for "convenience" and for "cruising comfort" then another original car that needs a few things repaired will be "upgraded", and altered forever. Also, the more cars that are modified with newer components, the less likely OEM Type correct parts will be reproduced, especially in orphan cars like Studes, because there will be no market. All of you who think a heavily modified fire breathing chopped big block '53 hardtop is going to encourage the next generation of kids who grew up on Hotwheels and Gas Monkey Garage, who have no knowledge of Studebakers to go out & buy an original car with a 120 HP V-8 and enjoy if for the "historical" value, think again. We are destroying the future of the Studebaker Marque with it's individualism and wonderful idiosynchrocies. We are cheapening the hobby, turning it into a big toy show.
I am not talking about simple improvements to drivability & safety, but just because it's old, doesn't make it unsafe, doesn't make it bad.
If your buddies laugh at you for driving a Studebaker, especially a Studebaker with a Studebaker engine; GET NEW BUDDIES. That's the way I see it.

That's the way I see it.