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  • I wonder if RQ can enlighten us with information about the photo in #5301.

    Craig

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    • Originally posted by Studedude View Post
      Also note the spelling of Nationaal.
      Dutch museum?
      I do believe that is the explanation. And I speak a little Dutch. I would have thought I would have caught that.
      Dank u, Dave.
      (Pardon the poor Dutch spelling).
      Ed Sallia
      Dundee, OR

      Sol Lucet Omnibus

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      • The Nationaal Automobiel Museum still exists. It is now known as the Louwman Museum and is in The Hague, Netherlands. It is the oldest private collection of vehicles in the world.

        Terry

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        • Originally posted by Studedude View Post
          This is definitely a photoshop job and not a real photo.
          "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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          • RE: Post 5297; I think that is a young Bob Palma (on the right)...most likely checking out a potential project car?!
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            • Joe Roberts
              '61 R1 Champ
              '65 Cruiser
              Eastern North Carolina Chapter

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              • Joe Roberts
                '61 R1 Champ
                '65 Cruiser
                Eastern North Carolina Chapter

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                • #5280, how does one know if it's a normal 57 or if it's a 58 Scotchman/Economiler? (or what it's called &/or spelled)

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                  • Originally posted by Noxnabaker View Post
                    #5280, how does one know if it's a normal 57 or if it's a 58 Scotchman/Economiler? (or what it's called &/or spelled)
                    Nox, it's neither one. The car in #5280 is a 1957 Commander Custom 4-door.

                    Note the V8 flag on the fender denoting a Commander, and the lack of full-length side trim, denoting a lower-priced Custom series within the Commander model line-up. You don't see that many of the cheaper Customs among 1957 Champions and Commanders because the DeLuxe trim offered such nice two-tone possibilities when two-tone paint was ordered. The Commander Custom in #5280 is one of only 828 built, whereas they built 10,285 1957 Commander DeLuxe 4-doors, almost 12 times as many as Commander Custom 4-doors!

                    Check out the nice 1957 Commander DeLuxe 4-door offered in this Craigslist advertisement, for example:



                    In fact, the 1957 Commander DeLuxe 4-door, at 10,285 copies, was the most popular 1957 Studebaker model, and the only model of which more than 10,000 copies were sold. The runner-up, but still under 10,000 units, was the 1957 Silver Hawk V8, which sold 9,607 copies.

                    Even in the lower-priced Champion line, the Champion DeLuxe 4-door sold 8,313 copies, versus the lower-prioced 1957 Champion Custom 4-door, which sold only 2,106 copies. BP
                    Last edited by BobPalma; 12-29-2015, 04:12 AM. Reason: added Champion sales data

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                    • Okay, I'm taking a chance here. I think the first vehicle on the second block facing us is one of us. I hope so....

                      Joe Roberts
                      '61 R1 Champ
                      '65 Cruiser
                      Eastern North Carolina Chapter

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                      • Originally posted by BobPalma View Post
                        [/B]Note the V8 flag on the fender denoting a Commander, and the lack of full-length side trim, denoting a lower-priced Custom series within the Commander model line-up. You don't see that many of the cheaper Customs among 1957 Champions and Commanders because the DeLuxe trim offered such nice two-tone possibilities when two-tone paint was ordered. The Commander Custom in #5280 is one of only 828 built, whereas they built 10,285 1957 Commander DeLuxe 4-doors, [I]almost 12 times as many as Commander Custom 4-doors!
                        Bob, I think that one is a W4 Deluxe. A Custom would have no side trim at all on it.

                        Craig

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                        • Originally posted by 8E45E View Post
                          Bob, I think that one is a W4 Deluxe. A Custom would have no side trim at all on it. Craig
                          Not really, Craig.

                          Here are the appropriate 1957 full-line brochure illustrations of Champion and Commander Customs.

                          Note the half-length stainless-steel spears, as on the subject car in Post #5280:



                          BP

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                          • Originally posted by BobPalma View Post
                            Not really, Craig.

                            Here are the appropriate 1957 full-line brochure illustrations of Champion and Commander Customs.

                            Note the half-length stainless-steel spears, as on the subject car in Post #5280:



                            BP
                            Thanks, Bob.

                            A prime example of Studebaker doing a GM thing by moving the lowest trim level upmarket over a few model years by adding chrome to it, and adding a series below it with the Scotsman.

                            Remember when the Bel Air was Chevrolet's highest trim level in 1957, and by the late 1970's, it was the lowest trim level?

                            Ceraig

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                            • Bloody hell! Where did I park my Studebaker?
                              I see a Starlight next to a Starliner in the first row on the the left but they are not alone.
                              sigpic

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                              • Originally posted by 8E45E View Post
                                Thanks, Bob.

                                A prime example of Studebaker doing a GM thing by moving the lowest trim level upmarket over a few model years by adding chrome to it, and adding a series below it with the Scotsman.

                                Remember when the Bel Air was Chevrolet's highest trim level in 1957, and by the late 1970's, it was the lowest trim level? Craig
                                Craig, don't you read Hemmings Classic Car? This was the exact topic of my September 2015 column, The Name Game.

                                That issue is now "old enough" that you can read the article on line. Here it is:



                                BP

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