Golden Hawk 400 for real and I need your help.

[studegary]

I would not worry about getting the correct block. If you do find it, fine. You are most of the way there with a "PS" block. People looking at the number will assume that it is the original engine since it is the correct preface/series .
My own 1957 Golden Hawk had engine number PS3000, but there are not many of us that know engine numbers, especially without looking them up.

[cabforward]

I actually have a cloverleaf engine in another gh that is complete. How can you identify a supercharged cloverleaf engine or are all cloverleafs the same.

[SN-60]

The '57 GH shortblock is the same as all other non full-flow 289's...so all 'cloverleaf' non full-flow 289 shortblocks should also be the same.

[StudeRich]

I actually have a cloverleaf engine in another gh that is complete. How can you identify a supercharged cloverleaf engine or are all cloverleafs the same.

It is likely a Standard Replacement 289 Block and Piston Assy.
A 289 is a 289 is a 289! Yes, all the same.
You COULD stamp the correct Engine Number on it as the Dealers were SUPPOSED to do, but rarely did. OR just leave it blank.

A correct Engine beats a wrong engine swap in a rare Car, any day of the Week, no matter what number if any it has.

[SN-60]

[QUOTE=StudeRich;1028753]It is likely a Standard Replacement 289 Block and Piston Assy.
A 289 is a 289 is a 289! Yes, all the same.


,....... as you would know Rich, when shopping for one there's a considerable difference between a full flow & a NON full flow 289!

[Skip Lackie]

I actually have a cloverleaf engine in another gh that is complete. How can you identify a supercharged cloverleaf engine or are all cloverleafs the same.

Clover leaf 289 engines were originally intended as HD truck engines, and have "heavy duty main and connecting rod bearings and chrome faced top piston rings. Part numbers . . . . . also include aluminum camshaft timing gear. All heavy duty engines can be identified by the clover leaf symbol stamped on the engine number pad." (From 59-61 truck parts book)

The reason so many clover leaf engines have turned up in cars is because Studebaker exhausted their supply of non-HD engines in the late 1960s, and substituted clover leaf engines as replacement units. So it is extremely doubtful that the factory would have equipped a clover leaf engine with a supercharger.

[8E45E]

I thnk that you may have misread the intent of the statement. The way you took it is as I first read it and then realized that the "find out why" was referring to the Packard engine transplant and not the cost of the interior.

No, I still interpret it as I did, as he immediately followed the cost of the interior sentence with another wanting to know why.

In any case, you know as well as I do, genuine leather is expensive.

Craig

[SN-60]

Clover leaf 289 engines were originally intended as HD truck engines, and have "heavy duty main and connecting rod bearings and chrome faced top piston rings. Part numbers . . . . . also include aluminum camshaft timing gear. All heavy duty engines can be identified by the clover leaf symbol stamped on the engine number pad." (From 59-61 truck parts book)

The reason so many clover leaf engines have turned up in cars is because Studebaker exhausted their supply of non-HD engines in the late 1960s, and substituted clover leaf engines as replacement units. So it is extremely doubtful that the factory would have equipped a clover leaf engine with a supercharger.

The above may or may not be accurate...I recently tore down a full flow 'cloverleaf' 289 that definitely DID NOT have the HD aluminum timing gear.

[JoeHall]

Is motor number PS3788 the one the OP is looking for? I have that block out in my garage, and waiting on time to put it back together. Its been back from the machine shop a couple of months now. Not for sale though, as its going into a 59 Lark project I am working on.

[SN-60]

[QUOTE=JoeHall;1028769]Is motor number PS3788 the one the OP is looking for? I have that block out in my garage, and waiting on time to put it back together. Its been back from the machine shop a couple of months now. Not for sale though, as its going into a 59 Lark project I am working on.[/QUOTE

Oh-oh......The CHASE IS ON!!!!!!!!!!!

[StudeRich]

BINGO! Oh, oh, A perfect MATCH PS3788! Maybe it's value JUST went UP!

[6hk71400]

In going through the inventory to sell off, it was mentioned in the stack of blocks and stuff that there is a PS engine in the mix. When I go back out to inventory to sell off, I will look up the number. I know it is a far stretch that it maybe the block, but worth checking. If it is the block, I will PM you Jeff. Kelly was known to buy stuff (like a 57 Packard dash) that he had no need to use but bought anyway.

BTW, a good friend advised me going into this, to list everything and value and sales price. This way, if the TAXMAN COMETH we can show if a profit was made or a loss. Kelly always used to joke that he bought high and sold low.

Bob Miles
Tucson AZ

[JoeHall]

BINGO! Oh, oh, A perfect MATCH PS3788! Maybe it's value JUST went UP!

The motor is not for sale though. I am gonna use it to replace the six cylinder in a Lark project. Trying to decide if I will use the super charger, or not. I may just replace the original 57GH heads with later heads to bump the compression a bit, and run it without the supercharger.

[nels]

Is motor number PS3788 the one the OP is looking for? I have that block out in my garage, and waiting on time to put it back together. Its been back from the machine shop a couple of months now. Not for sale though, as its going into a 59 Lark project I am working on.

Now that is unusual. Who would have guessed it still existed! Maybe you could shed some light on the prior history of the car through the engine owner chain.

[JoeHall]