One Less Stude On the road

[studegary]

I don't see the spring that you are referring to, but if goes over to the battery box it would be good for the secondary spring to assist the linkage. It could not be a straight enough pull to work properly on the linkage at the carb.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

[bullet_nose_stude]

quote:Originally posted by Anne F. Goodman

Thats fine with me. I'm usually one tough Lady but this Wreck Has Shaken me more than anything in my life. I wanted to share with everyone to hopefully prevent this from repeating. But accidents happen we can only prepare our cars as best we can. This thread will help discussions among Parents and kids adults too.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Ca

This has been an absolutely great thread - should be very instrumental in getting people to think a little - a real shame that the thread was initiated as the result of a serious accident involving young people very dear to some well-known & well-liked regular posters on this site. But, there have been some very cogent & well-thought-out responses to a very diverse plethora of ideas & theories floated out by the Studebaker faithful. Without a doubt, this is one of the nicest, thoughtful, most loyal congregations made up of antique car enthusiasts that I have ever encountered. It is SO different to read the posts at this site vs. any other I have been to - whether it is Early Ford V8, muscle car, etc. Although many fine folks are bound to frequent those types of places, it seems like the vast majority of those posters are primarily interested ONLY in technical info. These Studebaker afficionados are, in my opinion, truly a cut above the masses.

[bullet_nose_stude]

quote:Originally posted by Anne F. Goodman

Thats fine with me. I'm usually one tough Lady but this Wreck Has Shaken me more than anything in my life. I wanted to share with everyone to hopefully prevent this from repeating. But accidents happen we can only prepare our cars as best we can. This thread will help discussions among Parents and kids adults too.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Ca

This has been an absolutely great thread - should be very instrumental in getting people to think a little - a real shame that the thread was initiated as the result of a serious accident involving young people very dear to some well-known & well-liked regular posters on this site. But, there have been some very cogent & well-thought-out responses to a very diverse plethora of ideas & theories floated out by the Studebaker faithful. Without a doubt, this is one of the nicest, thoughtful, most loyal congregations made up of antique car enthusiasts that I have ever encountered. It is SO different to read the posts at this site vs. any other I have been to - whether it is Early Ford V8, muscle car, etc. Although many fine folks are bound to frequent those types of places, it seems like the vast majority of those posters are primarily interested ONLY in technical info. These Studebaker afficionados are, in my opinion, truly a cut above the masses.

[Rosstude]

[Rosstude]

[sbca96]

To add pictures to what Biggs is describing, here is the R1 engine I
picked up recently. This is worth ALL to go out and check, to make
sure their not at risk. Sometimes these springs break and just sit on
the manifold along for the ride!







Tom

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs
V8s used THREE retraction springs to operate the carb! One took the place of the actuator rod we see here (which is, in truth, internally spring-loaded) and the other two acted as throttle return springs. One from the bellcrank to the valve cover and the other from the end of carb's arm to an anchor point at the front of the engine.

[sbca96]

To add pictures to what Biggs is describing, here is the R1 engine I
picked up recently. This is worth ALL to go out and check, to make
sure their not at risk. Sometimes these springs break and just sit on
the manifold along for the ride!







Tom

quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs
V8s used THREE retraction springs to operate the carb! One took the place of the actuator rod we see here (which is, in truth, internally spring-loaded) and the other two acted as throttle return springs. One from the bellcrank to the valve cover and the other from the end of carb's arm to an anchor point at the front of the engine.

[stude53]

Anne, I have two teenage grandsons living in Colorado that are now driving age. Their Dad is a rodeo cowboy, and the boys are following in his footsteps. They do team roping, and the oldest just started riding bulls. They may be safer on the highway.

Glad the son/boys in your pictures will be okay. Some say "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

[stude53]

Anne, I have two teenage grandsons living in Colorado that are now driving age. Their Dad is a rodeo cowboy, and the boys are following in his footsteps. They do team roping, and the oldest just started riding bulls. They may be safer on the highway.

Glad the son/boys in your pictures will be okay. Some say "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

[Swifster]

I don't want to make it sould like the sky is falling. It's not. But the safety features built into newer cars is just far and away better than anything that was produced while Studebaker was building cars. Colapsible steering columns come on the scene in 1967 (in the Corvair no less), three point seat belts in the late '60's (even if not retractable), driver's air bags in the '74 Oldsmobiles, side impact beams in the '80's, etc. These things all work to save injuries and lives.

Kids at 16 want what is cool, without thought of the consequences (and if you doubt me, look at how many still take up smoking). I was industructable at that age. Obviously none of us feel that way the older we get, but most of our decisions are not based on the cool factor anymore (although if it's a tie, cool still counts ). I don't know one teenager (boy or girl) who would choose an Escort over a Mustang. But in most cases, the Mustang might not be the best choice.

Old cars are fun. Old cars are cool. I like driving them a lot more than the typical daily driver. But I think that between 16-18, it's the parent's responsibility to choose wisely. As mentioned, if a young driver is going to drive a vintage car, Matthew's truck is a good example of a great vehicle to use. Big, slow and passenger challenged.

At 18 and over, they make their own choices and decisions. That doesn't mean they can't be distanced from the old car hobby. Most of us have daily drivers and our weekend toys. Supervised use of our toys, or a toy of their own is probably the best way to go. Include them in car outings that include the old toys, and if they have their own toy, let them use it. And while Tom may disagree with me, a Camaro or Mustang have no place in a 16 year olds hands.

I'm off my soap box now. I've commented enough to get my point out there. Again. none of this is directed at Bobby or Anne. Bobby is old enough to make his own decision on the car he wants to drive. At his age I was driving a '69 Plymouth Valiant that I have a lot of good memories with. I hope he gets another older car, as I'm sure he's wiser to the drawbacks. I wish everyone in the car a speedy recovery.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed

[Swifster]

I don't want to make it sould like the sky is falling. It's not. But the safety features built into newer cars is just far and away better than anything that was produced while Studebaker was building cars. Colapsible steering columns come on the scene in 1967 (in the Corvair no less), three point seat belts in the late '60's (even if not retractable), driver's air bags in the '74 Oldsmobiles, side impact beams in the '80's, etc. These things all work to save injuries and lives.

Kids at 16 want what is cool, without thought of the consequences (and if you doubt me, look at how many still take up smoking). I was industructable at that age. Obviously none of us feel that way the older we get, but most of our decisions are not based on the cool factor anymore (although if it's a tie, cool still counts ). I don't know one teenager (boy or girl) who would choose an Escort over a Mustang. But in most cases, the Mustang might not be the best choice.

Old cars are fun. Old cars are cool. I like driving them a lot more than the typical daily driver. But I think that between 16-18, it's the parent's responsibility to choose wisely. As mentioned, if a young driver is going to drive a vintage car, Matthew's truck is a good example of a great vehicle to use. Big, slow and passenger challenged.

At 18 and over, they make their own choices and decisions. That doesn't mean they can't be distanced from the old car hobby. Most of us have daily drivers and our weekend toys. Supervised use of our toys, or a toy of their own is probably the best way to go. Include them in car outings that include the old toys, and if they have their own toy, let them use it. And while Tom may disagree with me, a Camaro or Mustang have no place in a 16 year olds hands.

I'm off my soap box now. I've commented enough to get my point out there. Again. none of this is directed at Bobby or Anne. Bobby is old enough to make his own decision on the car he wants to drive. At his age I was driving a '69 Plymouth Valiant that I have a lot of good memories with. I hope he gets another older car, as I'm sure he's wiser to the drawbacks. I wish everyone in the car a speedy recovery.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed

[showbizkid]

Swifster is right. I totalled two cars in my teens - one a '70 Impala, one an '81 Camaro. I also managed, after I was married, to get t-boned in a '95 Saturn by a 1/2-ton Chevy truck. Of the three, the Saturn was the only one that lived to see another day, and the only one from which no injuries occurred (the Impala cost me my lower front teeth, and the the Camaro caused whiplash to me and my passenger; I still experience neckaches 20 years later).

I love my old cars, and enjoy driving them to an unimaginable extent. But there's no doubt that my new cars offer more protection from accidents (whether my own fault or someone else's).


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard

http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

[showbizkid]

Swifster is right. I totalled two cars in my teens - one a '70 Impala, one an '81 Camaro. I also managed, after I was married, to get t-boned in a '95 Saturn by a 1/2-ton Chevy truck. Of the three, the Saturn was the only one that lived to see another day, and the only one from which no injuries occurred (the Impala cost me my lower front teeth, and the the Camaro caused whiplash to me and my passenger; I still experience neckaches 20 years later).

I love my old cars, and enjoy driving them to an unimaginable extent. But there's no doubt that my new cars offer more protection from accidents (whether my own fault or someone else's).


[img=left]http://members.cox.net/clarknovak/lark.gif[/img=left]

Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard

http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

[PlainBrownR2]

To clarify my stance as there is some confusion in the previous threads about my 64 Commander. I had started Driver's Ed when I was a sophmore in high school like everyone else. I had a teacher who, for one reason or another, put in extra hours with myself. Usually she would do about 4-5 months, or until December before she doled out learner's permits to the class for passing. I received my learner's permit in about March or so(and yeah I was glad to receive it, lol). After that, I went a year and a half with supervised instruction with my parents, which was well beyond the 25 hours of recorded driving I needed at the time. My parents thought it was best to get the extra training before I was behind the wheel myself. In August of my senior year I went for the test, passed with flying colors, and about two weeks later I got the Commander. The only vehicles I had in the time in between were the ones my parents through the keys at me when we went on the supervised driving. I was none too pleased being held on the little yellow bus another year, but it was probably for the best.
The point I was getting to was I am a proponent of a first car, old car or not, around the age of 17-18. Thats partially why I can say learn your vehicle, and the rules of the road, among other things, and there should not be as many problems. Of course that may come with the extended training, which is where I arrived at my philosophy. I'm not attacking or stating it as law, just kindly advice.

Yeah Swifster thats a pretty hard sell to get high school guys to buy an Escort, particularly here in the Midwest where these vehicles are huge. What can probably be done is don't let them get the GT, SVT, or the GT500 type of Mustangs, or the ones exceeding 250 hp. The Commander I have didn't have any of the carb or supercharger equipment on the car, but at my age at the time the R1 1/2 with the 4.10 was plenty enough.

To provide an example to my point, I had a slight fuel leak. Well, what happened was, is I have a fuel filter with two rubber hoses that connect to a steel line under the driver's side frame rail. One of the rubber hoses developed a slit and was spraying fuel(electric pump) out onto the ground. No big deal, get under there, pop the worm clamp, remove the end of the hose, cut it behind the slit, put it back on. Done it many times before. Well I had to drive about 10 miles to the hospital for an appointment. Tank was a little low so I filled up by the hospital. On the way back I noticed my gas was going down in the tank wayyyy faster than what is normal. It was also pouring pretty heavy so I discovered I skated to a stop when I braked. Normally these tires break loose from an intersection as there a dry type of tire(they are lousy at any sign of condensation), but this is far from anything encountered before. Alright, increase the driving distance to the guy in front of me and drive slower than necessary because I will most likely need all of the room to stop. Also when stopping, pulse the brakes oh so gently as burying the pedal may make things much worse. I get to another service station closer to home, look under and holy frijoles its pouring all of my fuel onto the pavement from the other side of that rubber hose. The filter side had slipped loose somewhere on the way to the hospital!! That fuel was probably spraying my rear tire, which acted like an oil on the rubber. Alright, get under there, adjust the filter back, attach the rubber hose and tighten the worm clamp behind the hump on the steel line on the filter. All of this in a downpour, under a large portico in the service station. Oh and this happened yesterday.

Now if I was 16 I probably would have been at 50 mph and with little feeling on judgement on these matters, the poor Toyota owner in front of me might have been scared out of his you know what at this large chrome grille coming at him with the brakes screaming something fierce. I don't doubt the newer protection the newer cars have. But I don't want to be lulled into a false sense of security that its a be all to

[PlainBrownR2]

To clarify my stance as there is some confusion in the previous threads about my 64 Commander. I had started Driver's Ed when I was a sophmore in high school like everyone else. I had a teacher who, for one reason or another, put in extra hours with myself. Usually she would do about 4-5 months, or until December before she doled out learner's permits to the class for passing. I received my learner's permit in about March or so(and yeah I was glad to receive it, lol). After that, I went a year and a half with supervised instruction with my parents, which was well beyond the 25 hours of recorded driving I needed at the time. My parents thought it was best to get the extra training before I was behind the wheel myself. In August of my senior year I went for the test, passed with flying colors, and about two weeks later I got the Commander. The only vehicles I had in the time in between were the ones my parents through the keys at me when we went on the supervised driving. I was none too pleased being held on the little yellow bus another year, but it was probably for the best.
The point I was getting to was I am a proponent of a first car, old car or not, around the age of 17-18. Thats partially why I can say learn your vehicle, and the rules of the road, among other things, and there should not be as many problems. Of course that may come with the extended training, which is where I arrived at my philosophy. I'm not attacking or stating it as law, just kindly advice.

Yeah Swifster thats a pretty hard sell to get high school guys to buy an Escort, particularly here in the Midwest where these vehicles are huge. What can probably be done is don't let them get the GT, SVT, or the GT500 type of Mustangs, or the ones exceeding 250 hp. The Commander I have didn't have any of the carb or supercharger equipment on the car, but at my age at the time the R1 1/2 with the 4.10 was plenty enough.

To provide an example to my point, I had a slight fuel leak. Well, what happened was, is I have a fuel filter with two rubber hoses that connect to a steel line under the driver's side frame rail. One of the rubber hoses developed a slit and was spraying fuel(electric pump) out onto the ground. No big deal, get under there, pop the worm clamp, remove the end of the hose, cut it behind the slit, put it back on. Done it many times before. Well I had to drive about 10 miles to the hospital for an appointment. Tank was a little low so I filled up by the hospital. On the way back I noticed my gas was going down in the tank wayyyy faster than what is normal. It was also pouring pretty heavy so I discovered I skated to a stop when I braked. Normally these tires break loose from an intersection as there a dry type of tire(they are lousy at any sign of condensation), but this is far from anything encountered before. Alright, increase the driving distance to the guy in front of me and drive slower than necessary because I will most likely need all of the room to stop. Also when stopping, pulse the brakes oh so gently as burying the pedal may make things much worse. I get to another service station closer to home, look under and holy frijoles its pouring all of my fuel onto the pavement from the other side of that rubber hose. The filter side had slipped loose somewhere on the way to the hospital!! That fuel was probably spraying my rear tire, which acted like an oil on the rubber. Alright, get under there, adjust the filter back, attach the rubber hose and tighten the worm clamp behind the hump on the steel line on the filter. All of this in a downpour, under a large portico in the service station. Oh and this happened yesterday.

Now if I was 16 I probably would have been at 50 mph and with little feeling on judgement on these matters, the poor Toyota owner in front of me might have been scared out of his you know what at this large chrome grille coming at him with the brakes screaming something fierce. I don't doubt the newer protection the newer cars have. But I don't want to be lulled into a false sense of security that its a be all to