Anybody got any Champion 6 parts laying around?

[StudeRich]

I know a guy in Walla Walla, WA who badly needs the valve baffle plates for a '51 Champion "6". He also needs the Hastings Piston Rings valve lifter oil restrictor plug & cable that used to be included in their Ring Sets to cure these little guys from smoking, (works better than the "patch"! ).

I told him how to cure the "Champion valve door leaking syndrome" by installing small lead Carb. plugs in the Lifter oil holes drilled through the gasket surface of the block!

With original valve guides, no baffles, and no restrictor, you can imagine that new rings and bearings did not cure this Champ's habit![:0]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[gordr]

quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

I know a guy in Walla Walla, WA who badly needs the valve baffle plates for a '51 Champion "6". He also needs the Hastings Piston Rings valve lifter oil restrictor plug & cable that used to be included in their Ring Sets to cure these little guys from smoking, (works better than the "patch"! ).

I told him how to cure the "Champion valve door leaking syndrome" by installing small lead Carb. plugs in the Lifter oil holes drilled through the gasket surface of the block!

With original valve guides, no baffles, and no restrictor, you can imagine that new rings and bearings did not cure this Champ's habit![:0]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Rich, I was tearing into a couple of Champion engines today, as a matter of fact. I know that one of them has no baffle plates, but I think I have a set around here somewhere.

Local chapter member Stan Johnson had a fix for the sloppy lifter problem that worked like a charm: with the lifters removed from their bores, he took the rollers from an old axle bearing, and ground each one to a mushroom shape, so that the "head" of the mushroom would fit in the recess behind the lifter, and the "stem" led through hole behind that recess into the oil gallery. The polished end of the mushroom head simply bumped against the lifter lightly, well-lubricated of course by oil. The "stems" of the mushrooms acted to reduce oil flow from the oil gallery into the lifter bores. His engine ran fine, and had good oil pressure.

Me, I'd be tempted to drill and tap the holes to accept a small Allen-head setscrew, drill about an .040" hole through the setscrews, and set them in place with red Loctite. I think in ay effort to restrict oil flow, one is better off to retrict it as far DOWNstream as possible, in order to avoid the possibility of an upstream restriction leading to very uneven distribution of oil.

I'll look for valve baffle plates tomorrow, and post back.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

[StudeRich]

Thanks Gord!

10/05/07 Hey Gord, I just got an email, he HAS located a set of baffles, but still needs the restrictor if anyone has one, he has the instructions for it, he had one before the rebuilder discarded it for him!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[dan0]

Guys,
I have rebuilt a Commander 6 in my 2R11...can you elaborate a bit more on the oil woes for a Champ?
I just began a 41 M with an engine that no doubt needs "everything"
thanks,
dan0

Herd:
06 Jetta TDI
1941 M15
1953 2R11
2001 F-350
1989 Caprice
Deere's:
67' 112H
88' 332

[gordr]

I had a pretty good look today, and found no baffle plates. If there are any, they are buried in the bottom of some box in the barn. It'd take a month of Sundays to sort everything there.

I doubt I have a restrictor, unless there is one in one of these two engines I've been tearing down. It lives behind the oil gallery screw plug on the back of the block, Right?

I remember seeing one in a gasket set, once. It was a metal disc, about half the diameter of a dime, with a piece of stiff wire welded in the center of one side. The wire was about 8" long, and doubled over into a "V" shape at about the 5" point, IIRC. You could push it into the oil gallery, and it would lodge when it reached the right place. It wouldn't be too hard to make one. I still maintain it's better to restrict the individual outlets from the oil gallery into the lifter bores. Restrict it at the "head" end of the gallery, and the furthest lifters might get starved for oil.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

[StudeRich]

Dano; the problems with oil burning on Champion engines is pretty much as you read here and any other posts found with the "search" mode at the top of the page. These engines had a problem with wear on the lifter bores and valve lifters, which caused too much oil pressure loss and oil burning from excess "splashing oil" in the lifter area.

Commander "Big" 6's had no known problems, just one tough, torquey engine!

quote:Originally posted by dan0
Guys,
I have rebuilt a Commander 6 in my 2R11...can you elaborate a bit more on the oil woes for a Champ?
I just began a 41 M with an engine that no doubt needs "everything"
thanks, dan0

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[Kdancy]

I want to re-visit this thread again, as I am rebuilding a champion engine and want to do the lifter plug thing. I haven't found the "plug on a wire" to do this with. Any one done this task and can advise me on method?

[52-fan]

I believe the "plug on a wire" is an oil restrictor that used to come in some ring sets. They turn up on eBay from time to time. If you do a search for oil restrictor you will probably find a discussion of this topic.

[StudeRich]

52-fan, please see the original post, now highlighted in Red. That's all of the help I can give you, but someone might know where to find some, so I revised your revise of this old post.