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    I've had a pair of Hawk pre-cut door panels, laid aside for a decade or more. It's past time to re-do the 56J's door panels, so I dug out the panels yesterday. Looking them over, they are neatly cut, but only .080" thick and kinda flimsy. Even worse, I put a few of the pop out pieces in a glass of water overnight, and they look like wet cardboard this morning.

    I hate doing interior work, and never wanna have to come back and repeat. Hawk door panels, even with all new seals, are prone to getting wet in heavy rain. The last two pairs of door panels I made was for our GTs, and they came out nice, for driver quality. Instead of cardboard backing, I used (24" x 48" x 1/8") sheets of HDPE (do not use HDPE, use ABS instead) and, despite getting rain soaked several times, they remain as neat looking today as the first day installed. So I ordered more HDPE today, and will use the cardboard repro as a template.

    I cannot take credit for the HDPE (do not use HDPE, use ABS instead) trick, I first saw it on a show quality 56J I worked on. That was about 20 years ago, and I still see that 56J on the internet once in awhile. Till now, its door panels look immaculate. Might as well do it right, and that's the plan for my 56J this time around.

    UPDATE: I made notations above, but will also say it here, do NOT use HDPE, use ABS instead. The reason, the HDPE is highly polished on both side, so not a good surface for glue adhesion. ABS has one side textured, and very receptive to gluing. Also, 3/32" (.091") thickness is closer to the factory cardboard thickness, or at least the repro stuff I have, which is .080". Further, 24" width is not enough, as the panel is about 26" at its widest point. But 26" is near impossible to find, so today I ordered two sheets of 3/32" x 32 x 48. I also sent the HDPE seller a return request, keeping my fingers crossed.
    Last edited by JoeHall; 07-23-2022, 06:04 PM.

  • #2
    Mine were all ratty at the bottom and I used a roofing felt from the lumber yard to redo them.

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    • #3
      Good solution, I've used 1/8" ABS sheet for the same purpose on my Avanti's. Durable like polyethylene but holds adhesives better.

      Bob

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      • #4
        Hi Joe,
        You may be using a material similar to what my upholsterer used to replicate the dry rotted panels (how he got a pattern from them is anyone's guess)in my '57 Clipper Wagon. I call it plastic but it has a much sturdier feel to it and looks original now it is recovered and installed in my car. I hope you have similar positive results.
        Bill

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        • #5
          My '60 Lark in Arizona, I made door panels out of Coroplast sheet, covered with gray "faux alligator" vinyl from WalMart. Used spray contact adhesive to attach the vinyl. Fastened the panels to the door with stainless steel sheet metal screw and finishing washers. Not exactly "stock" but it looks good. And Mexican blankets for the seats.
          Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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          • #6
            I have done GT panels, somewhat successfully, but the 56J's flared armrests are beyond my skillset. I have a local interior guy, retired military, who assures me he can do the flared armrests. That's what the last guy said, at an established interior shop in California in the late 1990s. He did the job OK, but the flared armrests left a bit to be desired. So I am a bit skeptical of this guy, not expecting a 'Phantom' quality job, but hoping for the best.

            Today, I removed both door panels from the 56J and completely disassembled one of them, in order to have a 56J template to modify the repro panels I have; mainly, had to cut a square for the ashtrays, and the opening for the flared armrest. I carefully removed the cardboard backing for the flared armrests, and hopefully he can re-use them. Also, I am hoping h can re-use the two top pieces of regal blue, with the welded pleats which are now nonexistent.

            Also, luckily I still have a partial roll of silver mylar, I bought about 30 years ago from SMS. I bought extra - the last they had, and recall reading later someone complaining 'a California hoarder got the last silver mylar SMS had'. LOL

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            • #7
              HDPE = High Density Polyethylene!
              StudeRich
              Second Generation Stude Driver,
              Proud '54 Starliner Owner
              SDC Member Since 1967

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              • #8
                I am following this thread with keen interest. My 57 needs door panel (cards) badly. Trying to find a "professional" to do the work, it appears they won't even answer the phone. There is a member in our local chapter that is doing the doors on his 54 Commander. He is willing to guide me step by step to do the panels.

                If anyone would be willing to provide pictures, that would be aces. Also, where is everyone getting the material for the panels? I am itching to get started then on to the seats.

                The 41 has the original interior including the windlace, lap robe and pull straps in the back seat. It only needs a headliner. I guess that should be a different thread started.

                Bob Miles
                Thanks for all your help

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                • Topper2011
                  Topper2011 commented
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                  I was able to get a sheet of the board from an upholstery shop. It was actually cheaper from him than for me to order on line. It is very tough and seems to be impregnated with some sort of tar/cardboard mix.

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                Quote: If anyone would be willing to provide pictures, that would be aces. Also, where is everyone getting the material for the panels? I am itching to get started then on to the seats.

                Ebay used to be a good source until shipping got expensive. Most locales of any size will have a source of plastic sheet, which I've found with Google.

                Contacting a local upholstery shop as suggested above is also a good thought.

                The process is pretty straight forward, remove the door upholstery from the old cards, draw the outline on the plastic sheet (using the old card as a guide) and cut out the pattern. Be sure to attach to the door to determine final fitting before recovering.

                These are shots of my 74 Avanti door cards and the tools I used to cut them out. The vibrating cutter is the best tool to cut the sheet.

                I also redyed the door upholstery.

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                Bob

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                • #10
                  I use 1/8" abs plastic sheet. You can by a 4 by 8 sheet for about $140 on Ebay that is enough to do all four doors. You can cut it with good scissors and sand the edges smooth. It will last forever. I have done several cars using it.

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                  • #11
                    I have used both of these on cardboard, clear lacquer spray or Thompson water seal, you can coat the inside of the door panel too. Try on a small piece first and see what you think.

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                    • #12
                      Ernie Loga sells these, but I have heard he is backlogged about 6 months. If you have a good pattern, you can make them yourself using 1/8' tempered Masonite. This is a little thicker than the original cardboard but is much stronger and some what moisture resistant. You can probably hopefully reuse the armrest. I have beefed them up with polyester resin.

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                      • #13
                        Heads up, please see the UPDATE in the OP.

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                        • #14
                          Yes I saw the update but stopped in at my buddy's shop and asked for others. My buddy does upholstery both OEM and custom and uses a product sold locally to me by Grimco and is double sided aluminum with a plastic sandwiched in between. I believe it can also be sourced at Maxmetal.com.
                          Rob in PA.

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