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    I was just reading some oral history of Studebaker in the early 60s when Egbert was there. There was a reference to the Turtle, which I think has been been mentioned here, but also the fact it had a Nonan engine. I've found no other reference to that. Maybe it should have read Noonan, but I don't see any references to that either. Does anyone know more about it?
    "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

  • #2
    An Onan?

    Plenty here on it tho.

    Dean.

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    • #3
      My guess would be Onan, which Studebaker owned at the time.
      Skip Lackie

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      • #4
        That's probably it. The sentence reads: "But anyway, we were developing a vehicle called a Turtle and it had a Nonan engine in it."
        I think the transcriber made an error.
        "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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        • #5
          More here, and it was a Kohler engine: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...t=italian+army

          Craig

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          • #6
            Expect Chris Dresbach to chime in at any moment.
            "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

            Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
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            • #7
              Originally posted by rockne10 View Post
              Expect Chris Dresbach to chime in at any moment.
              You know me well...

              It goes like this: three prototype Turtles were built. #1 had no engine, #2 was Onan powered, and #3 was Kohler powered.
              Chris Dresbach

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              • #8
                http://www.studebaker-info.org/turtle/turtle0813.html

                Here's everything you would want to know about the Turtle studies.
                Chris Dresbach

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                • #9
                  Hemming's Classic Cars for May 2015 has a page about Studebaker and Onan in a small utility vehicle.

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                  • #10
                    I have a 10 KW Onan (by Studebaker) air cooled diesel gen set. It works really well.
                    Bill

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TWChamp View Post
                      Hemming's Classic Cars for May 2015 has a page about Studebaker and Onan in a small utility vehicle.
                      I just did a quick Google search for that article and could only read part of it. Looks like it's talking about an Onan powered truck for the post office. Does the article mention anything about the Turtle?
                      Chris Dresbach

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                      • #12
                        The account I was reading was about the day that Sherwood Egbert drove across a picket line and ended up getting arrested. The man speaking was involved and said the union was afraid he was going to try and smuggle parts of the Turtle out of the plant, so the men formed a group and wouldn't let him leave. Also mentioned is a film of the event taken by news crews. Has anyone ever seen it? This guy said he sure wished he had it because it showed Egbert at his best and toughest.
                        "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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                        • #13
                          Scott, go to the link I posted. At the bottom of the page there is an article by Cliff Macmillen about the night the Turtle was smuggled out of the plant in 1962. Read through it, and tell me what you think in comparison to the paper you read. I've never seen the paper you read so I'd like to know.
                          Chris Dresbach

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                          • #14
                            Well, it's from a different interview (I think), so you'd better read it yourself: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...ew=1up;seq=115 at page 106. The eyewitness to the affair was Clifford MacMillan, but it probably has details different from the article.
                            "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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                            • #15
                              Interesting stuff, and it does all make sense. When the Turtle was being built there was a massive labor strike going on. What Cliff MacMillen doesn't say in the interview you read was that the Turtle actually did get smuggled out of the plant without being noticed.
                              Chris Dresbach

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