2-DOOR HARDTOP VS 2-DOOR SEDAN IN RACING

[Swifster]

The stuff Gordon mentioned can be used on the Daytona. But for class racing I'll be looking for a Challenger or a Commander. I'd like to get the car down as low as I can on weight. I can use whatever was available for an engine, and between George Krem's PBW and Nelson's R3 Commander, the R3 has already been cleared to race. Unlike the PSMCD, I can play with things that can't be seen. So if I become rich, and can find the heads, intake and carb, I could run a 330 CI R3 engine with modified supercharger. Or I can be a cheapskate (most likely) and build a modifield R2. As there is no minimum weight, getting the car as light as possible is a priority.

Item number one will be an F2/F4 2-door frame. Anyone have a solid one sitting in their backyard that the trash man wouldn't take? Maybe a Dana 44 with a 4.55 & TT?



The main priority is the Daytona. But if I can start finding bits and pieces for the drag car in the mean time, I'll start collecting them.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

[tstclr]

You can try this guy for a frame!:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STUDEBAKER-RUST-FREE-FRAME-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQihZ010QQitemZ200151830965QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

63 Lark 2dr Sedan

[tstclr]

You can try this guy for a frame!:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/STUDEBAKER-RUST-FREE-FRAME-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQihZ010QQitemZ200151830965QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

63 Lark 2dr Sedan

[Dick Steinkamp]

Is this the class, Tom?

http://www.fastraces.org/

One idea...I wouldn't use the TT in the 44. It will add to the cost of the rear end and is only about a 50% lock up. Use one of the full locker units that works in an open carrier. Cost won't be much more (if any) than a TT and you'll get 100% lock up. You'll need it with the street tires and all that HP [8D].

Sounds like a great idea...and that class is sorely missing a 10 second Studebaker!

[Dick Steinkamp]

Is this the class, Tom?

http://www.fastraces.org/

One idea...I wouldn't use the TT in the 44. It will add to the cost of the rear end and is only about a 50% lock up. Use one of the full locker units that works in an open carrier. Cost won't be much more (if any) than a TT and you'll get 100% lock up. You'll need it with the street tires and all that HP [8D].

Sounds like a great idea...and that class is sorely missing a 10 second Studebaker!

[Swifster]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Is this the class, Tom?

http://www.fastraces.org/

One idea...I wouldn't use the TT in the 44. It will add to the cost of the rear end and is only about a 50% lock up. Use one of the full locker units that works in an open carrier. Cost won't be much more (if any) than a TT and you'll get 100% lock up. You'll need it with the street tires and all that HP [8D].

Sounds like a great idea...and that class is sorely missing a 10 second Studebaker!

Yeah, that's the class. To be honest, much as those other cars were starting out, I'd be happy with low 12's. It usually takes a little while to get a car sorted out. I'm sure with R3 stuff a high 10 or low 11 second car is very possible.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

[Swifster]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Is this the class, Tom?

http://www.fastraces.org/

One idea...I wouldn't use the TT in the 44. It will add to the cost of the rear end and is only about a 50% lock up. Use one of the full locker units that works in an open carrier. Cost won't be much more (if any) than a TT and you'll get 100% lock up. You'll need it with the street tires and all that HP [8D].

Sounds like a great idea...and that class is sorely missing a 10 second Studebaker!

Yeah, that's the class. To be honest, much as those other cars were starting out, I'd be happy with low 12's. It usually takes a little while to get a car sorted out. I'm sure with R3 stuff a high 10 or low 11 second car is very possible.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by Swifster
I'm sure with R3 stuff a high 10 or low 11 second car is very possible.

If you could get down to 2700-2800 pounds, you'd need about 500 HP or so to do this. Certainly possible with the motor you describe (and a lot of boost ). The tough part is getting it to the ground with street tires. That's where you need to clone Ted [^].

[Dick Steinkamp]

quote:Originally posted by Swifster
I'm sure with R3 stuff a high 10 or low 11 second car is very possible.

If you could get down to 2700-2800 pounds, you'd need about 500 HP or so to do this. Certainly possible with the motor you describe (and a lot of boost ). The tough part is getting it to the ground with street tires. That's where you need to clone Ted [^].

[Swifster]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

If you could get down to 2700-2800 pounds, you'd need about 500 HP or so to do this. Certainly possible with the motor you describe (and a lot of boost ). The tough part is getting it to the ground with street tires. That's where you need to clone Ted [^].

Or make him the hired gun...[)]

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

[Swifster]

quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

If you could get down to 2700-2800 pounds, you'd need about 500 HP or so to do this. Certainly possible with the motor you describe (and a lot of boost ). The tough part is getting it to the ground with street tires. That's where you need to clone Ted [^].

Or make him the hired gun...[)]

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

[DEEPNHOCK]

I find the weight question kind of silly with a Studebaker, especially when one talks of racing, and comparable body weights..
Think safety first.
Which would fold up first in a roll over accident?
I'd take the post car over a hardtop any day of the week.
Not being contrary, just safety aware.
Jeff[8D]

[DEEPNHOCK]

I find the weight question kind of silly with a Studebaker, especially when one talks of racing, and comparable body weights..
Think safety first.
Which would fold up first in a roll over accident?
I'd take the post car over a hardtop any day of the week.
Not being contrary, just safety aware.
Jeff[8D]

[Swifster]

quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

I find the weight question kind of silly with a Studebaker, especially when one talks of racing, and comparable body weights..
Think safety first.
Which would fold up first in a roll over accident?
I'd take the post car over a hardtop any day of the week.
Not being contrary, just safety aware.

Most tracks will require some type of rollover protection and competition belts once the car gets to sub-12 second times. This class allows this type of safety changes. I wasn't as concerned about the safety aspect from one body style verses another because of that. The hardtop wasn't an issue of looking cool as opposed to a sedan, just an issue of availability. Considering the weight difference, I'd still be looking at the sedan anyways.

My big concern from a safety point of view is the lack of a SFI approved bell housing. I'm hoping to come up with another way of protecting myself from a flywheel/clutch explosion, like a blanket or (and I kid not about this) welding some form of armour plating to the floor in the foot area.

Having road raced in the past, I take the safety issues very seriously. In the end this is all fun and games, and if something goes wrong, I want to walk away from it. Drag race roll bars and reinforncements are a bit different that what SCCA requires, but I won't get in a 120 MPH bullet without feeling safe about doing so.

Items that will be added to meet my requirement of safety;

* Strong cage/roll bar, with other hidden reinforcements to protect the driver.
* Five point racing harness
* Bell housing protection
* Halon fire supression system
* Driver accessible ignition cut off
* Will look into modifying the fuel tank to look stock, but with the safety of a fuel cell.

Weight is important, but safety will always come first.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

[Swifster]

quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

I find the weight question kind of silly with a Studebaker, especially when one talks of racing, and comparable body weights..
Think safety first.
Which would fold up first in a roll over accident?
I'd take the post car over a hardtop any day of the week.
Not being contrary, just safety aware.

Most tracks will require some type of rollover protection and competition belts once the car gets to sub-12 second times. This class allows this type of safety changes. I wasn't as concerned about the safety aspect from one body style verses another because of that. The hardtop wasn't an issue of looking cool as opposed to a sedan, just an issue of availability. Considering the weight difference, I'd still be looking at the sedan anyways.

My big concern from a safety point of view is the lack of a SFI approved bell housing. I'm hoping to come up with another way of protecting myself from a flywheel/clutch explosion, like a blanket or (and I kid not about this) welding some form of armour plating to the floor in the foot area.

Having road raced in the past, I take the safety issues very seriously. In the end this is all fun and games, and if something goes wrong, I want to walk away from it. Drag race roll bars and reinforncements are a bit different that what SCCA requires, but I won't get in a 120 MPH bullet without feeling safe about doing so.

Items that will be added to meet my requirement of safety;

* Strong cage/roll bar, with other hidden reinforcements to protect the driver.
* Five point racing harness
* Bell housing protection
* Halon fire supression system
* Driver accessible ignition cut off
* Will look into modifying the fuel tank to look stock, but with the safety of a fuel cell.

Weight is important, but safety will always come first.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)