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  • #31
    Although I applaud anyone's effort to preserve and restore a historical locomotive, reality sooner or later creeps in and we realize that this is one HUGE undertaking.
    You need someone or some company with deep pockets to be able to afford such a job. That's in addition to so many other worthwhile projects to save historical artifacts. But a project of this size gets put into a category all it's own.
    I really hope that the locomotive can be saved, but, on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised it it's not.
    Rog

    '59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
    '59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
    Smithtown,NY
    Recording Secretary, Long Island Studebaker Club

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    • #32
      quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

      Maybe they should call the media and do all the hoopla Tulsa did with that Chrysler... Call Boyd Coddington to 'buff 'er out afterwards...
      Jeff[8D]
      I hate to admit that same thought went through my head .

      My suggestion regarding the Henry Ford Museum is that their rolling stock is kept indoors. This includes locomotives, tenders, passenger cars, etc. There are actually 4 or 5 rail spurs in the museum. While Billy is correct that an Alco switcher in and of itself isn't that special, the original use of the engine may be of interest to a museum tied in with the auto industry. I will say that I think that there is a 99% probability that they will decline to even think about a purchase (vs a donation), there is that 1%.

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      Tom - Valrico, FL

      1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed

      Tom - Bradenton, FL

      1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2514.10)
      1964 Studebaker Commander - 170 1V, 3-Speed w/OD

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      • #33
        quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

        Maybe they should call the media and do all the hoopla Tulsa did with that Chrysler... Call Boyd Coddington to 'buff 'er out afterwards...
        Jeff[8D]
        I hate to admit that same thought went through my head .

        My suggestion regarding the Henry Ford Museum is that their rolling stock is kept indoors. This includes locomotives, tenders, passenger cars, etc. There are actually 4 or 5 rail spurs in the museum. While Billy is correct that an Alco switcher in and of itself isn't that special, the original use of the engine may be of interest to a museum tied in with the auto industry. I will say that I think that there is a 99% probability that they will decline to even think about a purchase (vs a donation), there is that 1%.

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        Tom - Valrico, FL

        1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed

        Tom - Bradenton, FL

        1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2514.10)
        1964 Studebaker Commander - 170 1V, 3-Speed w/OD

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        • #34
          Bondo's looking to step on a few toes here . I say to those within driving distance of Union, Illinois, come Sunday to the Illinois Railway Museum to the Vintage Transportation Extravaganza. It is a massive car show and it continues to grow. The museum invites the chapters from around the area so we got ordinary cars, orphan cars, import cars, military vehicles, buses, tractors, if its got wheels you name it. Our chapter gets a front row seat right by the depot, BTW. A number of the steam and diesels they have are running around the grounds. The ones that really sit are either in nonoperating condition, or are just too massive to run. The DD40 and probably the Y6 they have are examples of these as the rail they have might split if there pulled to run on the grounds. They have steam loco's sitting out by the barns, waiting for those with alottt of ambition to save one of them. They have barns full of steam and diesel locomotives in various stage of restoration and display, as well as a few passenger car sets(including one fully restored and operating Nebraska Zephyr). Would it be cheaper to repaint and put it on a display track for all to see, yeah, more than likely. But I'm not a fan of having nature living out of these things after a few years of sitting. Particularly for an engine that is in an operable status such as this. I'd say give it to a competent museum with some operating room, and let them tear it down, refresh it, and put it back to together. A little better than a display track, and alot better than having this little piece of history become the bridge beams it rode over. Okay, theres nothing to spectacular about the engine. It doesn't have as many outstanding features as a Shay, but neither does IRM's Southern Pacific's SD9u(rebuilt SD9) or the early Metra BN E unit. But, to the people who come to the museum and ran them themselves, it does bring a little soul. Locomotives like the ALCo are also great in the case when the museum has a dry day(steam locomotives have a tendency to start fires around the track on these days), or in our case, they have been pulled for FRA inspection. Yeah, the locomotive is one massive undertaking. I think I commented that on the other thread, that this is not something thats pulled into a garage and a year to two years later a new locomotive is born. In the case of IRM they have a group of people paid to run the facility, and they have VOLUNTEERS help with the running and restoration of the equipment around the facility. It is a real group undertaking on much of the equipment, with much of the funding coming from donations or admissions or in this case Sunday, a five dollar vehicle admission.

          Engines with a historical record were not saved. These same engines were parked along the deadline for the scrapper's torch once the newer models came out. In the case of railroads, money and maintenance is funny as some of them are real proprietors for cost efficency. They had no idea that these would become real artifacts 30 years later. In this case, this engine is not on display, has some age on it from the Studebaker days, and is apparently operable. This kinda wipe it out logic does not bode well 30 years from now, when my kids may be looking up at the trains and one more historical reference is not in the picture no more, but all of the famous trains that the ALCo probably assisted or assembled are still on display.

          If you guys can convince Athearn to put out an engine, that would be great. The reason I say this is unless they get a sizable order where enough people come forward wanting it, they are kinda sluggish about retooling. Until then I may have to do a custom paint and decal on an undecorated S4. The pictures really do this kind of work justice as I have some information to draw on doing something like this.


          1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
          1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
          [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
          [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/
          1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
          1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
          1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
          1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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          • #35
            Bondo's looking to step on a few toes here . I say to those within driving distance of Union, Illinois, come Sunday to the Illinois Railway Museum to the Vintage Transportation Extravaganza. It is a massive car show and it continues to grow. The museum invites the chapters from around the area so we got ordinary cars, orphan cars, import cars, military vehicles, buses, tractors, if its got wheels you name it. Our chapter gets a front row seat right by the depot, BTW. A number of the steam and diesels they have are running around the grounds. The ones that really sit are either in nonoperating condition, or are just too massive to run. The DD40 and probably the Y6 they have are examples of these as the rail they have might split if there pulled to run on the grounds. They have steam loco's sitting out by the barns, waiting for those with alottt of ambition to save one of them. They have barns full of steam and diesel locomotives in various stage of restoration and display, as well as a few passenger car sets(including one fully restored and operating Nebraska Zephyr). Would it be cheaper to repaint and put it on a display track for all to see, yeah, more than likely. But I'm not a fan of having nature living out of these things after a few years of sitting. Particularly for an engine that is in an operable status such as this. I'd say give it to a competent museum with some operating room, and let them tear it down, refresh it, and put it back to together. A little better than a display track, and alot better than having this little piece of history become the bridge beams it rode over. Okay, theres nothing to spectacular about the engine. It doesn't have as many outstanding features as a Shay, but neither does IRM's Southern Pacific's SD9u(rebuilt SD9) or the early Metra BN E unit. But, to the people who come to the museum and ran them themselves, it does bring a little soul. Locomotives like the ALCo are also great in the case when the museum has a dry day(steam locomotives have a tendency to start fires around the track on these days), or in our case, they have been pulled for FRA inspection. Yeah, the locomotive is one massive undertaking. I think I commented that on the other thread, that this is not something thats pulled into a garage and a year to two years later a new locomotive is born. In the case of IRM they have a group of people paid to run the facility, and they have VOLUNTEERS help with the running and restoration of the equipment around the facility. It is a real group undertaking on much of the equipment, with much of the funding coming from donations or admissions or in this case Sunday, a five dollar vehicle admission.

            Engines with a historical record were not saved. These same engines were parked along the deadline for the scrapper's torch once the newer models came out. In the case of railroads, money and maintenance is funny as some of them are real proprietors for cost efficency. They had no idea that these would become real artifacts 30 years later. In this case, this engine is not on display, has some age on it from the Studebaker days, and is apparently operable. This kinda wipe it out logic does not bode well 30 years from now, when my kids may be looking up at the trains and one more historical reference is not in the picture no more, but all of the famous trains that the ALCo probably assisted or assembled are still on display.

            If you guys can convince Athearn to put out an engine, that would be great. The reason I say this is unless they get a sizable order where enough people come forward wanting it, they are kinda sluggish about retooling. Until then I may have to do a custom paint and decal on an undecorated S4. The pictures really do this kind of work justice as I have some information to draw on doing something like this.


            1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
            1950 Studebaker 2R5 with 170 turbocharged
            [img=left]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/PlainBrownR2/DSC00003.jpg?t=1171152673[/img=left]
            [img=right]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/
            1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
            1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
            1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
            1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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            • #36
              Sorry to dredge this up, but I just saw this slide for sale on e-Bay.








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              • #37
                Sorry to dredge this up, but I just saw this slide for sale on e-Bay.








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                • #38
                  The photo doesn't look too bad on ebay. It doesn't look like the colors have faded or washed or too much, being 40 years old and on Kodachrome(For those of the railfan and/or early slide type, you know how horrible that can be ). Whereever this place was stored(hopefully dry, not moldy, and out of the sun), it has held up fairly well. Course the actual slide may say something else.
                  1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
                  1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
                  1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
                  1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

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                  • #39
                    The photo doesn't look too bad on ebay. It doesn't look like the colors have faded or washed or too much, being 40 years old and on Kodachrome(For those of the railfan and/or early slide type, you know how horrible that can be ). Whereever this place was stored(hopefully dry, not moldy, and out of the sun), it has held up fairly well. Course the actual slide may say something else.
                    1964 Studebaker Commander R2 clone
                    1963 Studebaker Daytona Hardtop with no engine or transmission
                    1950 Studebaker 2R5 w/170 six cylinder and 3spd OD
                    1955 Studebaker Commander Hardtop w/289 and 3spd OD and Megasquirt port fuel injection(among other things)

                    Comment

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