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  • Turtle "RAVE" report

    After Mr. Quinn posted todays Lamberti paper, Ed Reynolds looked up "RAVE" (aka Remote Area Vehicle Evaluation) and found this:
    TURTLE
    MANUFACTURER: Studebaker Corporation, South Bend, Indiana
    WEIGHTS BRAKES Hydraulic
    Curb Weight 355.9 lbs. Displacement
    Rated Payload 500-750 lbs. ENGINE Kohler-8 HP-4 cycle
    DIMENSIONS 1 cylinder, air cooled
    Length 72 in. TRANSMISSION Hydrostatic
    Width 36 in. AXLES (1) Vertical Movement
    Height 39 in. with 220 turn angle
    Ground Clearance 11 in. SUSPENSION Ft-Rigid Rear-articulated
    TREAD 24 in. TIRES 27x10-12 and 9.50x8
    ANGLE OF APPROACH 600 MAXIMUM SPEED 6 mph
    ANGLE OF DEPARTURE 500 MINIMUM SPEED 0.5 mph
    FUEL CAPACITY 3.6 gal. RETAIL PRICE $995.00

    I find this extremely interesting, because after looking at this and at the Lamberti paper Mr. Quinn posted, I've come to the conclusion that the two Turtles (according to the paper, two were sent for testing) were very different. There was one photo of one of the Turtles and I think it would have been "Design 2". Here's why: compared to the photos I got from the SNM archives of Turtle #3, the Turtle on this pictured on the RAVE site has controlled steering and four wheel drive. Turtle #3 was only two wheel drive and had coaster wheels on the back. It also said that this Turtle had a Kohler engine. Turtle #3 had a two cycle Onan engine. The wheels and tires are also conciderably larger than the ones shown on #3. The handle barn on #2 are also much higher than #3 to add strength to the steering. In an original 1962 ad by Studebaker for the Turtle, there was a drawing of a 4X4 Turtle almost identical to the one photographed. Now I know how 4X4 steering would have worked with a single hull. It also explains why my Turtle has two main "sections" and steers in the center, they were experimenting with 4X4 steering but two floation hulls would have been impractical for a drive line as well as steering. Interesting!

    A big tip of the hat to Ed Reynolds for looking this up and finding it! Here's the link: http://rokonworld.com/brochures/rave2test.pdf
    Last edited by Chris_Dresbach; 10-12-2011, 03:46 PM.
    Chris Dresbach

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    Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach View Post
    After Mr. Quinn posted todays Lamberti paper, Ed Reynolds looked up "RAVE" (aka Remote Area Vehicle Evaluation) and found this:
    TURTLE
    MANUFACTURER: Studebaker Corporation, South Bend, Indiana
    WEIGHTS BRAKES Hydraulic
    Curb Weight 355.9 lbs. Displacement
    Rated Payload 500-750 lbs. ENGINE Kohler-8 HP-4 cycle
    DIMENSIONS 1 cylinder, air cooled
    Length 72 in. TRANSMISSION Hydrostatic
    Width 36 in. AXLES (1) Vertical Movement
    Height 39 in. with 220 turn angle
    Ground Clearance 11 in. SUSPENSION Ft-Rigid Rear-articulated
    TREAD 24 in. TIRES 27x10-12 and 9.50x8
    ANGLE OF APPROACH 600 MAXIMUM SPEED 6 mph
    ANGLE OF DEPARTURE 500 MINIMUM SPEED 0.5 mph
    FUEL CAPACITY 3.6 gal. RETAIL PRICE $995.00

    I find this extremely interesting, because after looking at this and at the Lamberti paper Mr. Quinn posted, I've come to the conclusion that the two Turtles (according to the paper, two were sent for testing) were very different. There was one photo of one of the Turtles and I think it would have been "Design 2". Here's why: compared to the photos I got from the SNM archives of Turtle #3, the Turtle on this pictured on the RAVE site has controlled steering and four wheel drive. Turtle #3 was only two wheel drive and had coaster wheels on the back. It also said that this Turtle had a Kohler engine. Turtle #3 had a two cycle Onan engine. The wheels and tires are also conciderably larger than the ones shown on #3. The handle barn on #2 are also much higher than #3 to add strength to the steering. In an original 1962 ad by Studebaker for the Turtle, there was a drawing of a 4X4 Turtle almost identical to the one photographed. Now I know how 4X4 steering would have worked with a single hull. It also explains why my Turtle has two main "sections" and steers in the center, they were experimenting with 4X4 steering but two floation hulls would have been impractical for a drive line as well as steering. Interesting!

    A big tip of the hat to Ed Reynolds for looking this up and finding it! Here's the link: http://rokonworld.com/brochures/rave2test.pdf
    Amazing, simply amazing ...how you stuck with the belief what you had WAS indeed a Studebaker prototype!!! Congratulations, Chris!!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Welcome View Post
      Amazing, simply amazing ...how you stuck with the belief what you had WAS indeed a Studebaker prototype!!! Congratulations, Chris!!!
      Yes, his diligence is now paying off since these threads: [url]



      ..



      Let's just hope Ed doesn't ask for it back!

      Craig
      Last edited by 8E45E; 10-12-2011, 05:45 PM.

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      • #4
        Chris
        I'm glad to see that you and Ed found a new lead on the "Turtle" story. I would guess that you have enough information to write a nice story about it in Turning Wheels. I really enjoyed the link to the RAVE report as well. That must have been a fun project to be involved with! They tested everything from mules to MULEs, and everything in between, including lawn tractors! I noticed that the Thiokol Model 1301 (pg. A-32) looked VERY similar to a Weasel. That must have burned the Studebaker engineers if they saw it! It also begs the question: why didn't Studebaker engineers just develop a Mark II Weasel? (with a 289 V-8, oh yeah!)
        John
        1950 Champion
        W-3 4 Dr. Sedan
        Holdrege NE

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        • #5
          Yeah, that's a pretty interesting report. I can't recall if the did the sound detection test on the four-legged mule. Official Army Report: Braying detected at 300 feet.

          I agree with Lothar that there were some that sure harkened back to the Weasel. But developing a MkII Weasel with a Stude V8? There'd be no payload allowance left to the beast.
          No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lothar View Post
            Chris
            I'm glad to see that you and Ed found a new lead on the "Turtle" story. I would guess that you have enough information to write a nice story about it in Turning Wheels.
            I'd like to eventually get this things story in Turning Wheels. A while back I wrote a short article about it for my local chapter newsletter, but that was before I found out about the RAVE report. This adds A LOT more information to what I had already known about the Turtle(s).
            Call it a leak, but Ed has "other Studebaker information" that will eventually go in TW, a part of which is an article about the Turtle. I've read that article and have used the key points out of it in researching the Turtle. As for that article though, have to wait for it in TW. (When though, I have no idea.) That's all I'm saying!
            Chris Dresbach

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach View Post
              >>>That's all I'm saying!
              No, here is what you're saying to everyone trying to send you a PM!!!


              "Chris_Dresbach has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Welcome View Post
                No, here is what you're saying to everyone trying to send you a PM!!!


                "Chris_Dresbach has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."
                Actually I just cleared that.
                Chris Dresbach

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                • #9
                  Last edited by Chris_Dresbach; 10-15-2011, 05:21 PM.
                  Chris Dresbach

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                  • #10
                    For comparrison, here's the third design Turtle:

                    Note the difference in the rear wheels and the extreme difference in the handle bars.
                    Chris Dresbach

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chris_Dresbach View Post
                      Actually I just cleared that.
                      And actually I just sent you a PM about correcting the "Approach and Depature Angle" specs...

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                      • #12
                        It looks like an industrial strength power wheelbarrow.
                        Gary L.
                        Wappinger, NY

                        SDC member since 1968
                        Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                        • #13
                          Maybe I'm lost. What does this RAVE report prove about the "Turtle" rig you posess?
                          KURTRUK
                          (read it backwards)




                          Nothing is politically right which is morally wrong. -A. Lincoln

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kurtruk View Post
                            Maybe I'm lost. What does this RAVE report prove about the "Turtle" rig you posess?
                            Absolutely nothin'! The RAVE report was just something that was found and adds to the "whole story" about the Turtle and the photo of #2 being tested has a similar look, stance, demensions, and wheel displacement as mine. Until a few days ago I didn't know what a RAVE report was or that there was still information about the Turtle yet to be found. Who knows, maybe there's a "lost" photo of my Turtle being pushed around somehwere. Just have to keep digging.
                            Chris Dresbach

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                            • #15
                              Here's another weird and interesting twist. This is from the Lamberti papers #22:

                              6. Turtle

                              The final assembly of the Turtle for Italy is commencing today.

                              ITALY?!
                              Chris Dresbach

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