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  • Vapor embarrassment!

    So today, after cutting a couple of acres of grass, taking care of other chores, and extracting my '51 Land Cruiser from the Man Cave for a well needed cleaning, I decided to drive it about seven miles to my daughter's church for a fund-raising hot dog supper.

    Off we go, 90 degrees and all windows down. This is one of the most fun to drive cars I have ever had. Usually, my wife has the windows rolled up no matter what the temp is. However, this time, even she was OK with the wind blowing her hair.

    I backed the car into a parking space on the black asphalt pavement. The front was facing the blazing sun. There is no shady area in this parking lot. We were inside the church gym for about half an hour, had a good meal and spent some time with the grandkids and friends.

    As we left, my daughter and grand-daughter walked us to the car. It cranked up with out a hitch, made it about 15 yards and died. I let it roll back to a parking space, pulled the hood latch, got out and attempted to raise the hood. Ouch! It was so hot, I had to abort that task and search for a towel to place between the hot metal and my hand. Once that was accomplished, I got the hood up and saw that the glass bowl on the top mounted fuel pump on the 232 was full of fuel. (no air bubbles) After removing the big oil bath air filter, I manipulated the linkage and noticed no fuel squirting in the carb. By this time, I was pouring sweat. My daughter brought me a cup of ice water. I urged my wife to go back into the gym while I worked out the problem with the car. My son-in-law made a quick dash home to get his lawn mower gas can.

    While every one was out of sight, I used the ice water my daughter had brought me to cool off the fuel pump and gas line. When my sun-in-law returned with his gas can, I poured a small amount of gas down the carb and fired up the engine. It cranked briefly and died again. One more shot of gas down the carb and it fired up and kept running.

    My wife returned from the air-conditioned building and we had a trouble-free trip back home. This car has always been very reliable and this is the first time I have ever had it to vapor lock. I especially hate it when something like this happens when someone is along for the ride...especially my wife.

    For me, a trip in one of these old cars is truly a trip back in time. Windows down, wind blowing, the aroma of honeysuckle blossoms, the ticking of the big Stewart Warner clock, and a steel car made by craftsmen proud of their work.

    Unfortunately, for my wife, the memory will be of the time the car nearly left her stranded in a hot church parking lot, seven miles from home.

    I plan to drive the car over two hundred miles to a meet in Boone N.C. this coming weekend. I hope this is not a new trend for the car.
    John Clary
    Greer, SC

    SDC member since 1975

  • #2
    On the bright side, if it hadnt been for the Studebaker vapor locking, you wouldnt have had a good story to tell us!
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    In the middle of MinneSTUDEa.

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    • #3
      from the title "vapor embarrassment", i thought you might have had too many baked beans for lunch...
      wondering if parking in direct sunlight kept the temp up enough to cause the lock...
      Kerry. SDC Member #A012596W. ENCSDC member.

      '51 Champion Business Coupe - (Tom's Car). Purchased 11/2012.

      '40 Champion. sold 10/11. '63 Avanti R-1384. sold 12/10.

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      • #4
        No shade at the parking lot? Hmmm.... It could be happen with any car's dark-colored exterior that absorb light from the sun and cook inside the hood? I used Thermo-Shield type roll tape around the gas line between fuel pump and carburetor in my Hawk to help reduce the heat. Click on this link: http://www.thermotec.com/products/14...mo-shield.html

        Thought it may help you.

        Steven

        1957 Studebaker Silver Hawk
        1967 Corvair coupe w/110hp, auto & factory air
        1969 Corvair coupe w/140hp, 4 spds & smog air

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        • #5
          It seems that ice water may be a requirement for future trips. I remember a trip when I was about 5 or 6 when my dad had to pour cold water on our 50 Champion's fuel line and pump twice while we were creeping along in heavy traffic. After we got moving we had no more trouble.
          "In the heart of Arkansas."
          Searcy, Arkansas
          1952 Commander 2 door. Really fine 259.
          1952 2R pickup

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          • #6
            This happened to me on the way to a local show with my 57 Champion. Car just died and would not start. A guy, who later proved to be an uncle of a former student, towed me home with his 64 Olds. Got the car home and he said to try and start it. It did. Vapor lock compounded by the ethanol in the gas! It was and will always be a very 'touchy incident.' Lucky you were near help. I was stranded on a busy SI major street and traffic was not very helpful.
            1957 Studebaker Champion 2 door. Staten Island, New York.

            "Education is not the learning of facts, but the training of the mind to think." -Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              John
              See you at the "Spring Fling" this Saturday. Everybody is invited to attend. Info at ncsdc.net
              Jack White
              Jack White
              Charlotte,NC
              North Carolina Studebaker Drivers Club

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              • #8
                Might be a good idea as well to take along a small container of gas
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                Home of the Fried Green Tomato

                "IF YOU WANT THE SMILES YOU NEED TO DO THE MILES "

                1960 Champ , 1966 Daytona , 1965 Daytona Wagonaire

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                • #9
                  In my car I have a rubber fuel line from the pump to the carb which needs fixing as it hits the valve cover and it has a glass filter. The filter is filled with gas while the car is running yet 30 minutes later it is empty. It should be taken into account I am dealing with an engine that is 150 cubes larger and has aluminum valve covers that absorb heat and fenderwell headers which make leaning against a fender impossible.
                  Alex Nelsen, certified Studebaker nut.
                  Driving a 1954 Champion Coupe powered by a Chrysler 383.
                  Lizella, GA

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                  • #10
                    With this new crappy gasoline, I think vapor lock is going to be a way of life. For the time being I'm burning marine gas in my Champion, but I don't know how long that will be available or how much longer I will be able to afford it.

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                    • #11
                      When we park Lark VIII girl's Lark VIII , we open the hood and this takes care of most vapor lock issues as does the electric fuel pump. I have poured water on old car fuel pumps many times,
                      as you did. Look over the forum and read the posts regarding vapor lock and electric fuel pumps, lots of good information. No sense in messing around, install a rotary vane electric pump.

                      Husband of Lark VIII girl

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                      • #12
                        I know we have discussed this topic to death. There are a few gas stations selling non ethanol gas around. I think I will get to one this week and fill up before the meet trip this weekend. I will carry an ice chest with water, a small gas can, and tools.

                        As a side note, I wonder if anyone has ever considered installing a couple of valves in the line in strategic locations for purging the trapped vapor? I have always taken pride in keeping my cars tuned and maintained in a way that made vapor lock very rare. Modern gas may have made the electric boost pump an imperative addition.
                        John Clary
                        Greer, SC

                        SDC member since 1975

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                        • #13
                          John, Did you know there are ethanol-free gas in all grades 87, 90 & 94 octane at Larson's Citgo in your hometown? Hope it will help you.

                          Steven

                          1957 Studebaker Silver Hawk
                          1967 Corvair coupe w/110hp, auto & factory air
                          1969 Corvair coupe w/140hp, 4 spds & smog air

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jclary View Post
                            As a side note, I wonder if anyone has ever considered installing a couple of valves in the line in strategic locations for purging the trapped vapor? I have always taken pride in keeping my cars tuned and maintained in a way that made vapor lock very rare. Modern gas may have made the electric boost pump an imperative addition.
                            from what i've read, a return line from carb to tank takes the "hot" gas back to the tank replaced with "cooler" gas to the carb with the electric pump. the purge valves may work, but then you're dealing with the more explosive vapor venting out - just thinking "out loud"...
                            Last edited by Corvanti; 05-31-2011, 06:40 PM.
                            Kerry. SDC Member #A012596W. ENCSDC member.

                            '51 Champion Business Coupe - (Tom's Car). Purchased 11/2012.

                            '40 Champion. sold 10/11. '63 Avanti R-1384. sold 12/10.

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                            • #15
                              John, thanks for the story and info on the vapor lock BUT!!!!! i think the more important moral of the story is to make sure if we are going to be driving these old cars we had better choose our passengers carefully. for some reason wife's and girlfriends don't have the same view on an adventure as we do.

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