Cheap Avanti sold

[Studedude]

quote:Norm58 Transtar 1 ton dually PU

Hey, Norm... got pics of that '58 dually? I've got a '57 Transtar I have thought about building into a dually, although others may not approve. I would sure like to see your truck!

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[Transtar56]

"Amen, Brother, end of discussion! Threads like this always interest me, because it gives me a very good idea of who I will and will not do business with!"

Well Dave,if you think my integrity is poor because of the side of this little debate I came down on,Im truly sorry,because your a nice guy and I really do like you.And I also know that what I think matters squat to JP any most of the rest of you. But what bothers me is I think a lot of the "give the poor sap his money back" crowd are talking trhough their blowholes,its always easy to give away somebody elses money,and I wonder if it were them ,would they hold the same view. I just think a lot of it is bullcrap, and I do hate bullcrap,unless of course its meant to be bullcrap.
Ive got one NG'er whose called me a crook and a thief for selling a car to him that was explained carefully in the ad what the condition of it was, and I got burned because I tried to help him out.If he had of even spoken to me after the deal I would have certainly been willing to try to make things right as he saw them, but no,all he did was give me a big fat bad feedback and then try to sabotage my next auction.So don't tell me we Studebaker owners are any better or different than any other old car hobbiest, there are good deals and bad,and things sometimes go right and everyones happy,but sometimes not. Were all just human and when we get ourselves in trouble by overbidding,or even bidding at all, I don't think we should expect the seller to come and pat us on the back and make all the bad feelings go away. Thats all Im saying,if you would give the guy his money back because you felt he overbid on the car,then how much? Would you give it all back except what you deem as a "fair" profit,or almost that much,or mabey even more if the buyer happened to be a Lady,what?
Its kind of an absurd argument,if the company you work for wanted to give you a 10% raise,would you say to your union leaders,"Gee I don't think they can afford it,lets tell them we only want 5%"
I don't try to rip anyone off on anything,and I know Im a better person than I used to be,but Im not out to save the world either. There was once one who did that,and look what they did to Him.

[avantilover]

I can see both sides of the discussion, but it really doesn't matter what someone else would do or whether John should take the money just because that was the end of auction price.

It gives me a good feeling, and confidence that if someone here in OZ wanted to import a Stude from the states and they weren't onlist, I could recommend John as someone who would do the right thing by them - ie find a good Stude of the desired type, clean it up and possibly fumigate it depending upon it's original location (Quarantine) then ask a fair price, finally delivering it to the port for shipment.

I recall reading of someone importing a car(not a Stude) and it was filthy and full of all sorts of rubbish - the article said that Customs and Quarantine officers weren't impressed.

So 100% for JP, I'll be honoured to meet him when I can get to the States again.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!

[Jackson]

If you are worried about overcharging a buyer you can always post a realistic BIN, otherwise "let the buyer beware".

[JDP]

quote:Originally posted by Jackson

If you are worried about overcharging a buyer you can always post a realistic BIN, otherwise "let the buyer beware".

I did have a $6000 Buy It Now, with a $5000 reserve. When it hits reserve, ebay drops the BIN and off it went to 15K. There is no way to control the bidding once the BIN is gone.


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[Studedude1961]

I think the truth probably falls somewhere in the middle of this debate. I have sold several Studebakers on eBay, both my own and for other people. I have sold other makes of collector cars too and one thing I have discovered on eBay and at on-site auctions is I have no control over the impulses of other adults. I've found that true in other areas of life also.

That being said, I also try to temper those impulses as much as I can with a dose of reality in my listings. If a car needs work, I detail what it needs. I tell what it is, but more importantly, what it is not. I generally start the bidding at half what the car is worth with a reserve of a low estimate of what the car is worth. I've seen JDP's auctions and believe me, on more than one occasion had to turn off the computer and hide my checkbook because the cars he represents are just wonderful and we can all tell by the number of Studebakers he handles that he is a gentleman of integrity and I think as buyers we can all appreciate that.

But auctions are auctions. If an Avanti is worth $5,000 and you are the seller and squeamish about selling it for more, list it in Turning Wheels for $5,000 and sleep nights. Most eBayers with any type of savvy at all are going to ask questions. Be truthful and thorough. After that, it is what it is and eBay is generally, but not always, a pretty good gauge of what something is worth. And like other markets, things wax and wane on eBay. A so-so Avanti today might bring $10,000. In the dead of winter or near tax time, it might only bring $4,500. That's what's fun about auctions but make no mistake, unlike asking a firm price via local or national classified ads, an auction can go with you, or go against you.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

[Jackson]

JDP, you are correct. I was not aware that ebay drops the BIN when the reserve is met since I set the reserve egual to the BIN.

[gaboy]

Thanks John for treating the bidder RIGHT

THIS WILL SUM IT UP!!


Five (5) lessons to make you think about the way we treat people.

1 - First Important Lesson - Cleaning Lady.
During my second month of college, our professor
gave us a pop quiz. I was a conscientious student

and had breezed through the questions until I read
the last one:
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Surely this was some kind of joke. I had seen the
cleaning woman several times. She was tall,
dark-haired and in her 50s, but how would I know her name?
I handed in my paper, leaving the last question
blank. Just before class ended, one student asked if
the last question would count toward our quiz grade.
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you will meet many people. All are significant. They
deserve your attention and care, even if all you do
is smile and say "hello."
I've never forgotten that lesson. I also learned her

name was Dorothy.

2. - Second Important Lesson - Pickup in the Rain
One night, at 11:30 p.m., an older African American
woman was standing on the side of an Alabama highway
trying to endure a lashing rain storm. Her car had
broken down and she desperately needed a ride.
Soaking wet, she decided to flag down the next car.

A young white man stopped to help her, generally
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special note was attached..
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the other night. The rain drenched not only my
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Because of you, I was able to make it to my dying
husband's bedside just before he passed away... God
bless you for helping me and unselfishly serving
others."
Sincerely,
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3 - Third Important Lesson - Always remember those
who serve.
In the days when an ice cream sundae cost much less,
a 10-year-old boy entered a hotel coffee shop and
sat at a table. A waitress put a glass of water in
front of him.
"How much is an ice cream sundae?" he asked.
"Fifty cents," replied the waitress.
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By now more people were waiting for a table and the
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The little boy again counted his coins.
"I'll have the plain ice cream," he said.
The waitress brought the ice cream, put the bill on
the table and walked away. The boy finished the ice
cream, paid the cashier and left. When the waitress
came back, she began to cry as she wiped down the
table. There, placed neatly beside the empty dish,
were two nickels and five pennies..
You see, he couldn't have the sundae, because he had
to have enough left to leave her a tip.

4 - Fourth Important Lesson. - The obstacle in Our Path.
In ancient times, a King had a boulder placed on a
roadway. Then he hid himself and watched to see if
anyone would remove the huge rock. Some of the
king's wealthiest merchants and courtiers came by
and simply walked around it. Many loudly blamed the
King for not keeping the roads clear, but none did
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Then a peasant came along carrying a load of
vegetables. Upon approaching the boulder, the
peasant laid down his burden and tried to move the
stone to the side of the road. After much pushing
and straining, he finally succeeded. After the
peasant picked up his load of vegetables, he noticed
a purse lying in the road where the boulder had
been. The purse contained many gold coins and a note
from the King indicating that the gold w

[JDP]

Since I've invited the new owner (Randy) of the cheap Avanti to join us, I feel out should add some details to the story. I had spoken to the Randy over the phone about the car. I liked him, I liked his plans for the car and suggested he hit the BIN. Instead, to tossed in a bid to show he was a interested bidder while he pondered the deal. The bad news was, his bid killed the Buy It Now and the car was off to the races.
At that point, I could have ended the auction early and sold the car to him on the side, but that's a clear violation of ebay rules. We decided to make a deal based on a discount if he won the auction based on the bid price on the off chance it went higher then he and I agreed the car was worth.
As it turned out, a few other bidders had a much more inflated idea of what the car was worth and it turned into a pretty nice discount.
In the end, I made a fair profit, he got the car at a fair price, ebay got paid and I've made a new friend. Sure, I might have made a bigger profit by selling to one of the other high bidders, or excepting a silly offer to end the auction early but they would have been disappointed when they saw the car was not worth the money in spite of my ebay write up.
I just not want you to think Randy was a sandwich short of a picnic by bidding 15K if he graces us with his company, blame the other bidders for pushing him so high.

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[rdmaxon]

Thanks for the invite to SDC forums JDP. I will directly join SDC itself. I am already a member of AOAI. Just one quick thing. It's Richard not Randy.I bought the cheap Avanti. JDP has already outlined the basic details of this sale. I think he did a thorough job of it and there is not much I can add. We did talk about me letting this one go and looking at the next one, if JDP didn't want to leave on the table the amount he did. He did not want to go that route. By the way, I scour[ed] every nook and cranny,website and ad in my hunt for an Avanti. The last three I bid on on eBay went for more than I wanted to pay and for more than they were worth,in my opinion. My opinion is based on NADA valuation and more importantly, what the owners think they are worth. At any rate, I now have my first Avanti. I also have a new friend in JDP and hopefully new friends here as well.
I have wanted an Avanti since I was about 4 or 5. We had a slot car set[1/32nd scale] and one of the cars was a gold Avanti. 2 or 3 years ago I joined AOAI and began my hunt for one in earnest.I have looked at a #1 Avanti and everything on down from there and I think I made the right choice with this one. I attended the SDC Nationals in 04[Charlotte,NC] and just had a blast,not only with the Avanti crowd but my wife and I enjoyed all the Studebakers. My wife and I also attended an SDC regional in the Mesa,Az area in 05. Good times. Thanks again JDP. RD Maxon

[gaboy]

WELCOME RICHARD!!

Good to have a fellow Avanti member now "driving" one. (or soon as it is delivered)

Come to the Studebaker world & find some of the greatest folks (can't just say guys) that enjoy their cars along with each other-that's what it is all about!

Louis

[JDP]

Welcome and sorry for the wrong name brain fart, Randy had the 20K Avanti, too many cars, too few brain cells to keep track. BTW, I quit working on your car yesterday aften fixing a dam exhaust leak on the new pipes. It's your turn to do some bleeding, just keep us up to date.

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[rdmaxon]

I'll sure do that. Both bleed and keep y'all updated on the progress.Richard

[stude53]

WELCOME RICHARD!!

I think you got exactly what you wanted ... a reliable driver ... a time machine that looks good, runs good. Keep us posted on your activities.

Regards,
Bob (stude53)