Best books on GT Hawks

[wpsrea]

I am trying get as much info on GT Hawks before I buy one. Any favorite books from the "forum"? Also, did Studebaker ever publish any "assembly manuals" for the various models?

[studegary]

If you buy the back issues of Turning Wheels with Fred Fox feature articles on 1962-1964 Hawks, you will have a very good start on informtion.
Shop Manuals and Parts Books by Studebaker are probably the closest to the assembly manuals that you refer to.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[JDP]

quote:Originally posted by wpsrea

I am trying get as much info on GT Hawks before I buy one. Any favorite books from the "forum"? Also, did Studebaker ever publish any "assembly manuals" for the various models?

In my dream world, there would be a series of the "Best of Turning Wheels" that would include all the past profiles of the Hawks in one book for example. Failing that, the back issues covering the 62-64 Hawks is the best IMHO. There are no assembly manuals, but the parts book has lot of illustrations.

JDP/Maryland

[studegary]

How about that! Two similar answers within 13 seconds of each other.

The Best of books have been discussed for years. The stumbling block is always the copyright on the material. The holder of the copyright says that he is going to issue the information, but doesn't, and he also won't release the information to SDC.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[JBOYLE]

quote:Originally posted by studegary
The stumbling block is always the copyright on the material. The holder of the copyright says that he is going to issue the information, but doesn't, and he also won't release the information to SDC.

Get a rope....
Seriously, It's a shame that there are some club members who think more of their right to make a few bucks than to allow the club to issue a reprint for the benefit of all...and perhaps for the club to make a buck or two from the book.
Come on people, how many have ever exercised their copyright and republished the information? I can see someone like Patrick Foster, a professional journalist and published book author wanting to keep his stuff, but the average SDC guy who submits an article to TW and who won't give permission for a reprint seems a bit much.
It's like the guys who let a good car rot with the attitide of ..."Someday, I'm gonna..."

And yes, I'll put my money where my mouth is.
I just donated an essay to a recently published aviation anthology. I won't miss the (very few...if any) dollars I would have made selling it, and the book proceedes go to charity. I can say I'm published (it's even on Amazon) and a good cause gets money. Good deal all around.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

[wpsrea]

Thanks for the tips. I'll check out those Fred Fox articles. A "Best of" would be a great help. Maybe some day.

[JDP]

quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

quote:Originally posted by studegary
The stumbling block is always the copyright on the material. The holder of the copyright says that he is going to issue the information, but doesn't, and he also won't release the information to SDC.

Get a rope....
Seriously, It's a shame that there are some club members who think more of their right to make a few bucks than to allow the club to issue a reprint for the benefit of all...and perhaps for the club to make a buck or two from the book.
Come on people, how many have ever exercised their copyright and republished the information? I can see someone like Patrick Foster, a professional journalist and published book author wanting to keep his stuff, but the average SDC guy who submits an article to TW and who won't give permission for a reprint seems a bit much.
It's like the guys who let a good car rot with the attitide of ..."Someday, I'm gonna..."

And yes, I'll put my money where my mouth is.
I just donated an essay to a recently published aviation anthology. I won't miss the (very few...if any) dollars I would have made selling it, and the book proceedes go to charity. I can say I'm published (it's even on Amazon) and a good cause gets money. Good deal all around.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

No reason the copyright owner can't get paid again for reprinting the articles. I'd buy every book published rather than did through 40 years of TW. Imagine a 56-64 Hawk booklet, a 59-66 Lark, another for 53-55 CK's and so on.

JDP/Maryland

[kurtruk]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

Originally posted by studegary
, but the average SDC guy who submits an article to TW and who won't give permission for a reprint seems a bit much.


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

I would not call Fred Fox "the average SDC guy." He is, by trade, an Automotive Historian. Yes, he is paid to write the articles. He puts in an incredible amount of time gathering materials and doing research for the Feature Articles. I dare say his articles are often times much more accurate than many others' published works. The very fact that many people want reprints made available says to me they still find great value in his work. Authors are always paid for their work, but still retain the copywrites.

KURTRUK
(read it backwards)




Nothing is politically right which is morally wrong. -A. Lincoln

[63r2]

From memory the Turning wheels issue was April 1987.
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[wpsrea]

I have found one for each year by Fred Fox. Looks like a great start.

[studee64]

The best GT Hawk issues to me are:
April, 1987 (1962 GT)
October, 1993 (1963 GT)
April, 1997 (1964 GT)
March, 2008 (Total GT feature issue)

Enjoy!



Barry Leppan
Ontario, Canada
64 Daytona HT & 64 GT Hawk R-1
GT Hawk Registry-SDC Hamilton Chapter

[PeterHawk]

Here's a thought. Why not publish the Authenticity section of the judging manual, by type (suggested by JDP) with color pictures?

[Warren Webb]

On a similar note I have suggested a "Best of Richard Quinn" book. Mr Quinn replied that SDC holds the rights to his articles. This would be not only a great fund raiser for the club, but a valuable resouce for new & old members alike. Since we have a new national club president, how about e-mailing her our suggestions. I'm sure she would be glad to hear from all for the recognition of her new post & will be eager to put all valued suggestions to work.

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

[8E45E]

quote:Originally posted by kurtruk
He puts in an incredible amount of time gathering materials and doing research for the Feature Articles. I dare say his articles are often times much more accurate than many others' published works.

That is very true. Fred's articles are very well researched before publishing them. One must also remember, many others within SDC besides him have contributed to the accuracy of them, as his 'recaps' section proves. And since these articles have been published 20 or more years ago, a LOT more information has surfaced, either through research, or personal memoirs, etc. If a 'Best of...' ever gets published, it would be in the best interest of all to ensure all these updates or corrections are included.

Craig

[studegary]

quote:Originally posted by 8E45E

quote:Originally posted by kurtruk
He puts in an incredible amount of time gathering materials and doing research for the Feature Articles. I dare say his articles are often times much more accurate than many others' published works.

That is very true. Fred's articles are very well researched before publishing them. One must also remember, many others within SDC besides him have contributed to the accuracy of them, as his 'recaps' section proves. And since these articles have been published 20 or more years ago, a LOT more information has surfaced, either through research, or personal memoirs, etc. If a 'Best of...' ever gets published, it would be in the best interest of all to ensure all these updates or corrections are included.

Craig

That is a good point. When I suggest that someone look at a Fred Fox Feature article, it is always best to look at the next three issues of TWs for updates/corrections to the article.
For example, Fred has the pedal configuration incorrect for 1961 Larks in the September (or was that August - I am not home) Lark issue.
These Feature Articles should be edited before they are published in booklet/book form.
While I was on the SDC Board, I pushed for this to be done, but always hit a brick wall.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer