How do you define a “survivor car”?

[rockne10]

Anyone who survives the Garden State Parkway or 95 going thru Washington DC, Ed

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[rockne10]

When an AACA Judge advises, "DON'T restore or replace ANYTHING that isn't essential for safe function and operation."
I was greatly pleased to receive a 3rd in Class at the Lancaster International Meet, where my "survivor" was competing with ALL other vehicles in Division 1 "Pre-War." Not a single point was deducted for Authenticity.

And, yes, it will come on the market sometime in the next ten to thirty years.

[Rafe Hollister]

Any car that can be owned by me and not be totaled after a few years is a survivor.
Rafe Hollister

[Jeffry Cassel]

Guess it is nearly impossible to have a survivor Studebaker. There can only be one 54 Commander like the one Wayne Carrini found! The newest is 6 decades old now and if they are driven at all are going to need fixing!

[Topper2011]

https://news.yahoo.com/news/blogs/sideshow/93-old-florida-woman-retires-her-64-mercury-204007316.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABCafdlXxGv8oGmEiXOFpDqmXxBQzKcuXJN03UAPgeyRxanVhqpWJOhAGeUqMx1HaZV5MiF9y9gCt2Fu1YG-j4NfBeS21mb72b0YTNZ73tHMLgkhbZ65mdZapCNRDt6eVB8vBJli6ixym67UiX_T4Fhg8KxwWHL14J0axLaKeocx

About as close as I can imagine.

[StudeRich]

That's a great story about the 576,000 Mile '64 Comet, but I don't agree with the writers statement:
"Make it to 100,000 miles in your vehicle, and the car company might make a commercial about you."

In the Day, that was the norm, but Not today, those tightly fitted, Asian Overhead Cam, Port Fuel Injected little 4's and V6's often go 2 or 3 Hundred Thousand Miles with No major repairs.

Of course there are some that could probably go 4 or 5K Mechanically, but their "more expensive than the Car is worth" Electronic junk fails, so they ARE junk.

[BalkaRoo]

So what do you think about what "I" would call a survivor ? A friend of mine purchased off a local farm a 1925 Willys Knight 4 cyl sleeve valve, in complete but rundown condition! It had been laid up since 1955 in a shed that wasn't completely weatherproof, but the only thing that was irreparably damaged was some of the upholstery and the tourer top. We have been repairing the engine which had a mechanical failure, (the reason it was put into storage). His plan is to do just enough to make it roadworthy, after a thorough cleaning treat the weathered and worn paint with beeswax to retain the original patina and do the minimum amount of trim repair for function. To me this is a "survivor" It won't have been "restored", only "repaired" and it certainly won't either be or look like a restoration. By the criterion a lot of you have talked about it "won't" be a survivor, just "old" but I think as something 100 years old next year with minimum return to service work performed it should be!

[StudeRich]

Willys had "F" Heads, with one Valve in the Block and One in the Head, I wonder if that is one of those Oddballs ?

[Topper2011]

Of course there's this guy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volv...20million%20km).

I remember reading about this guy. I only put a measly 276k on my 1983 Plymouth Sapporo before it blew a headgasket and warped the head. A common problem on the 2.6L. It would have cost me $500 and 5 hours of my life to replace, so I donated the car.

[Noxnabaker]

Some years ago I saw a video on youtube about a guy in the US that owned, & probably still does, a Volvo P1800 that had the world record in milage...
In the 90's I knew a guy who's -66 Amazon had done 840000 km before overhauling the engine, all papers from tests still there to prove it & yep; he was the original owner.

[Topper2011]

Yes, my link above for the story. Over 1 million miles, Volvo gave him a new car and displays the P1800.

[Silver Hawk 59]

What Skip said... actually, just about any Studebaker that still exists today is, in some way, a survivor.

[aardvark]

So I bought a '63' Avanti R2..it sat for a number of years. I have no real history of the car. All I know is a 90ish y/o man died and my seller picked it up.. then I got it.
So it's nice to have ""History"" but it rarely seems to happen. It hasn't happened on any of my last 6 Collector Cars.
The Car is visually near perfect but has rusty bumpers and a few small issues. It runs but has brake issues and a power steering leak. The paint? It was repainted it's original off white color.
So I'm not out to classify or designate the Car as a ''Survivor'' that description to me means NOTHING.... All I care about is Originality.
(The single Master Cyl needs to go for safety reasons in these Mountains).

I'm into this whole Car Scene for the profits. Yes, I love Cars and have some fine esamples.. I really enjoy owning/driving them.. but bottom line is either see major profits or I cannot afford to "'Play This Game". I have the '63' and a '2002' Avanti as well as a '82' 928 Porsche and a few rare VW's.

[6hk71400]

My BIG question is: Do you enjoy using your car? Does using your car take away from the survivor status and the "profit" status? My two cars are far from survivors but I could not enjoy them just sitting, watching them.

So I guess I don't understand why this question keeps coming to our attention. Is it to stir the pot and cause division? I used to think that our club was a nuts and bolts operation that people took some pride in the accomplishment of bringing a car back to use but the forum posts appear to be less car related and more about the owners and whatever the poster wants to talk about.

[larryyano]

Could be wrong, but I would call this 1958 Packard a Survivor. 65,00 miles, complete straight body with no rust through. Other than a broken electric antenna and paint falling off the fenders, it fared pretty well. Pulled it out of a barn this past spring where it sat since the early nineties.

[Topper2011]

This one ran across YT feed.

[StudeRich]

Yes, a decent and rare '58 Packard Country Sedan !

If that Antenna is actually a Stude. AC Power Cowl Mount Antenna, it would be Beyond Very Rare today.
That plastic cable sleeve is not like a Manual Crank up Ant. at all, it could be aftermarket.

My also 1958 President, was ordered with AC-2887 "Power Cowl Antenna", but that never happened, it has a AC-2688 Internal Control crank up type.
Either they were short on supply, out of stock, or actually Never arrived at South Bend and canceled or VERY, Very few made.

I have never seen one, ANYBODY ?