Engine id?

[Orestudeguy]

Can someone tell me what year and cubic inch this V/8 engine is?
I think it's a 259, just want to make sure.

V568748
Block casting # 1554641
Head casting # 1557570

thanks,

George
Grants Pass, Oregon
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire's (1 parts car, 1 Canadian fixed roof disc brake car, the other sliding roof South Bend car.)
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

[lstude]

According to my book, it is a 63 259.

Leonard Shepherd

http://leonardshepherd.com/

[Orestudeguy]

Thanks Leonard,

This engine has the old style "fram type" oil filter mounted on the top of the engine.
It does have two bolt hole valve covers, but it isn't a full flow engine.
I thought that all 63 & 64 V/8 engines were full flow?


George
Grants Pass, Oregon
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire's (1 parts car, 1 Canadian fixed roof disc brake car, the other sliding roof South Bend car.)
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

[lstude]

Yes, it should be a full flow engine. The book I used and also Bob Johnstone's site says that the 1963 259 engine number starts at V566-601.

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/tech_v8data.asp

Leonard Shepherd

http://leonardshepherd.com/

[StudeRich]

George that casting number and Serial Number IS a full-flow block, look at the lower right rear side of the block, you should find a block-off plate with (2) 3/8" bolts holding it on covering the full flow mounting surface! [^]

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

[Orestudeguy]

Thanks guys,
I'm not close to it so I'm going by pictures the owner has sent me. I did get him to verify that there was a provision for a oil filter.
Once again,

Thanks,

George
Grants Pass, Oregon
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire's (1 parts car, 1 Canadian fixed roof disc brake car, the other sliding roof South Bend car.)
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

[bams50]

OK, so if it's a full-flow engine, why would the filter be up top like a partial-flow since the provision is there to put it below??


Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"It was the last chance for Studebaker to turn things around. The company was down to it's last bullet, and this new small car was it. They called it the Lark"

[studegary]

quote:Originally posted by bams50

OK, so if it's a full-flow engine, why would the filter be up top like a partial-flow since the provision is there to put it below??


[brown]Robert (Bob) Andrews

Some applications, I believe in some trucks, did not have room for the full flow filter. Also, I have sometimes used a later engine in an earlier car and dressed it up to look like the era of the car that it went into.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[Skip Lackie]

quote:Originally posted by studegary

quote:Originally posted by bams50

OK, so if it's a full-flow engine, why would the filter be up top like a partial-flow since the provision is there to put it below??


[brown]Robert (Bob) Andrews

Some applications, I believe in some trucks, did not have room for the full flow filter. Also, I have sometimes used a later engine in an earlier car and dressed it up to look like the era of the car that it went into.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Gary's explanation is the only one that makes sense. However, the engine serial number is for a 63 car. For the record, see engine ID table:

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/V8EngineID.asp

Skip Lackie
Washington DC

[StudeRich]

OK, Bams50 if you got a minute, here's the long version if you really want to know! (sorry about that!)

There are several possibilities as to why this engine is setup like it is. All of the above suggestions are possible, however there is a small chance that this engine had been swapped from the '63 Lark it came in, to a "C" cab truck like my '62 Transtar 7E13 1 Ton.

It's right headpipe will not clear the filter (even with a short version filter) and they had not reconfigured a new one that worked so they came with the block-off plate that was included in all factory replacement block & piston assy's and short blocks.
Mine came with the early '62 style valve covers without caps, and the old '55-'60 car cast iron filler pipe necessary because it was ordered with an Oil Filter, it has the old '51-'57 car drop-in canister type Fram F-4 filter.

Then they could be correctly installed by Dealers and Garages in pre-late '62 cars and not alter the Federally mandated "original factory" configuration of the engine, which is/or was illegal especially if the H.P. is affected.

I Guess most of us can ONLY drive our Studes. off road huh? [:0]
Maybe by now S.E.M.A. with all the financial backing from the Aftermarket Parts Manufacturers and lobbying have gotten that DOT requirement reversed? [:0]

Or; as Gary said, it could have been used in an older car and downgraded to be more correct looking.

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

[Orestudeguy]

Ok Guys,
I got pix from the owner of this engine. It is indeed a 63 Full Flow 259 V/8 engine. It does have the 2 bolt valve covers with oil caps and the oil filter where it is supposed to be on the rh lower side of the block.
The engine at some time was installed in a Jeep and the owner put the Fram type filter on the engine as well as the oil filler stand from an older engine.
I guess he was making sure the oil stayed "filtered" seeing it was in the Jeep.
The first pic I was sent only showed the top of the engine which is why I posted the question. I asked for other pix and it shows another oil filter where it should be.

Thanks all!

George
Grants Pass, Oregon
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire's (1 parts car, 1 Canadian fixed roof disc brake car, the other sliding roof South Bend car.)
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe