1964 Commander Mystery

[Tom]

More questions for the group.

According to Ed Reynolds' book "Studebaker Lark: 1959-1966 Photo Archive" on page 95 the 1964 Challenger and Commander 6-cylinder models had "S" emblems on the side of the roof while 8-cylinder models had V-8 flag emblems.

My Canadian-built 1964 Commander however has both the "S" emblem on the sides of the roof as well as V-8 emblems on the fenders just behind the front wheel wells. It has a 259 ci Studebaker V-8 engine.

Was this a change made when Studebaker production moved to Canada from South Bend?

It also has factory air-does anyone know how many Studebakers came with factory air that year? According to the production order I received from the Studebaker National Museum it was built for a buyer in Arizona.

[Bordeaux Daytona]

Hi Tom!
As far as I know the V8 Commanders got the parallelogram
8 emblem on the front fenders, the sixes had none. 65's were the same.
I don't have Ed Reynold's book handy but I'm pretty sure the Challenger had a Lark bird emblem on the roof sides. The circle "S" was on the commanders roof side in 64-65
To make things more interesting, the Canadian built 64 Daytona's came with a six so they had a different roof emblem, crossed flags but no "V".
I'd suppose you'd have to search through the archive build orders to find out how many cars had a/c, probably not too many, I wish mine had been built with it.
Your car sound's neat, A/C would have been a must in Arizona.
John V.

[53k]

quote:Originally posted by Tom

More questions for the group.
According to Ed Reynolds' book "Studebaker Lark: 1959-1966 Photo Archive" on page 95 the 1964 Challenger and Commander 6-cylinder models had "S" emblems on the side of the roof while 8-cylinder models had V-8 flag emblems.
My Canadian-built 1964 Commander however has both the "S" emblem on the sides of the roof as well as V-8 emblems on the fenders just behind the front wheel wells. It has a 259 ci Studebaker V-8 engine.
Was this a change made when Studebaker production moved to Canada from South Bend?
It also has factory air-does anyone know how many Studebakers came with factory air that year? According to the production order I received from the Studebaker National Museum it was built for a buyer in Arizona.

Factory air is on the production order? I wasn't able to order factory air on my '64 Daytona Wagonaire when I ordered it in April '64 (built May 4, '64). The Studebaker a/c I have had to be dealer installed.

Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

[Bordeaux Daytona]

I don't know if they had some problems after moving to Canada. I've read that you couldn't get a/c on 65's until mid year, our 65 Daytona Wagonaire's A/C was dealer installed too.

[Tom]

Yes, the factory air is on the build order from the factory.

[Mark57]

quote:Originally posted by Bordeaux Daytona

To make things more interesting, the Canadian built 64 Daytona's came with a six so they had a different roof emblem, crossed flags but no "V".

John V.

Minor correction - Canadian built 64 Daytona's could be had with a 6 or a V8. When built with a 6, then they had insignia as stated, when equipped with a V8, they had the same insignia as the US built Daytona's.

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>

[studegary]

A few years ago, I owned a 1964 Commander sedan with factory A/C that I had shipped to me in NY from New Mexico.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

[BobGlasscock]

Our 64 Daytona had factory air, bought in Denver. (side note -- found in Amarillo, TX yesterday).

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

[StudeRich]

Mark; minor CORRECTION to the minor correction!

When the '64 Canadian Daytonas were ordered with a V-8, they got the crossed flags on the "C" pillar, ALL early '64 (South Bend) Daytonas all having 259's Std., had the '57 Silver Hawk/President Crossed Flags [u]AND V-8</u> type Emblem on the roof! [:0]

quote:Originally posted by Mark57

Minor correction - Canadian built 64 Daytona's could be had with a 6 or a V8. When built with a 6, then they had insignia as stated, when equipped with a V8, they had the same insignia as the US built Daytona's.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[monomaniac]

Studerich:
Crossed flags were a Daytona symbol and on Canadian Daytonas the emblem was on the roof pillar (with NO V-8 insignia at that spot). V-8 Daytonas had the rectangular (actually parallelogram) 8 emblem on the fenders.

The V-8 insignia that appears WITH the crossed flags is on American built cars only.

[Mark57]

quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

Studerich:
Crossed flags were a Daytona symbol and on Canadian Daytonas the emblem was on the roof pillar (with NO V-8 insignia at that spot). V-8 Daytonas had the rectangular (actually parallelogram) 8 emblem on the fenders.

The V-8 insignia that appears WITH the crossed flags is on American built cars only.

Interesting Art... I recall close to 30 years ago a member - Pastor Hove or Haave (sp?) in Vancouver that had a '64 Daytona 4 door with a 289 and it had the Crossed flags + V8 emblem on the sheet metal supporting the roof behind the rear doors. Unfortunately, I have no pics and I cannot say for certain if it was a US or Cdn built vehicle - I have always assumed it was Cdn being it was in Vancouver BC. [?]

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island

Are you planning to attend the NW Overdrive Tour in Parksville, BC
May 23 & 24, 2009?</h5>

[monomaniac]

Mark,

If that 64 Daytona had a V-8 in the middle of their crossed flags on the roof pillar, it was either an American built car or the owner added the emblem.

[T-CAB]

Tom:

My father purchased a new white Daytona V8 4-door in Kingston Ontario in May 1964. It had on the flags on the roof. The V-8 emblem was on the fenders. This car is now undergoing a complete wheel's up restoration by my son and myself. It was perhaps one of the rustiest cars likely every to have been restored. Just too many memories to send it to the junk yard!

T-Cab

[StudeRich]

This is FUNNY, Art! LOL! How could two guys possibly say exactly the same thing in just a slightly different way and not realize they are EXACTLY the SAME!! HO,HO,HO! It must be the AMERICAN language that got you! Sorry I AM working on my Canadian though "EH?"

I NEVER said anything about the fender Emblems because I thought everyone understood all V-8's have em! 1964, 1965 both, V-8 Engine = V-8 fender Emblem regardless of Model, or Factory that's just too simple to be in question! OTHERS did mention it however.

Crossed Flags only =Canadian, Crossed Flags & V-8 [u]TOGETHER as in one piece as in 1957, '58</u> = US! -OK, EH!

quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

Crossed flags were a Daytona symbol and on Canadian Daytonas the emblem was on the roof pillar (with NO V-8 insignia at that spot). V-8 Daytonas had the rectangular (actually parallelogram) 8 emblem on the fenders.The V-8 insignia that appears WITH the crossed flags is on American built cars only.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

[Tom]

Just to clarify, my 1964 Commander has the "S" emblem on both sides of the C-pillar plus the V8 parallelagram emblem on both fenders behind the wheel wells. It does not have any crossed flag emblems.