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54-61-62
12-20-2006, 03:17 PM
Okay, I am working like a maniac on the 56 power hawk trying to get it stripped to a bare shell so I can get the body to my bodyman by febuary. I am removing the engine & trans (flight-o-matic), and I must confess was suprised the shop manual says to remove the engine and transmission seprately. Is this really nessessary? Can it be done removing it as an engine/trans unit once the radiator, fan and shoud, and radiator support is off the car? Front fenders are still on the car and I really don't want to pull them.

I hope I don't have to remove the engine and trans seprately as I do not have a lift to put the car on and I don't have a transmission jack. I do have an engine hoist however, and please don't tell me to have a professional shop remove them because thats not an option.

Thanks
Kent

DEEPNHOCK
12-20-2006, 03:22 PM
Pull it all in one big piece...
Jeff[8D]

54-61-62
12-20-2006, 03:30 PM
"one big piece" meaning???? Front fenders can stay on the car?

Now is this was a lark or a 47-51 champion , I could do it in my sleep; but this is my first C/K car so I'm not particulary fimiliar with things or procedures unique to a hawk...

Thanks

Guido
12-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Kent,

I have never pulled the engine in either of the Hawks that I owned, but I think it could be done. I suspect that you will need a helper to keep the "nose" up as it is removed.

I seem to recall that JDP offered some advice on this several months ago. I do not recall the title on the thread but perhaps you could search for something related to engine removal. You just want to make sure that you have it balanced and you don't let it swing back into the firewall or windshield as it comes out. [V]

Gary

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John Kirchhoff
12-20-2006, 07:39 PM
When re-installing it, make sure you don't mash the front brake lines. Visually you probably won't see it but the first time you have to stomp on the brakes you'll sure know something's wrong.

N8N
12-20-2006, 07:55 PM
If I recall correctly the engine/trans needs to come out fairly "nose high." If you've removed the radiator support this may be less of an issue but I still think you will have to have a bit of an angle to it so the oil pan clears the bellcrank. To do it neatly I prefer to set the trans. on a floor jack and remove the crossmember but this is not necessary - you just might scrape the firewall a little bit if you don't.

good luck,

nate

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ralt12
12-20-2006, 08:24 PM
If you use one of these engine removal tools it gets a lot easier to do this; you can maintain the angle and make adjustments gradually.
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JDP
12-20-2006, 09:58 PM
The engine removal tool pictured makes it almost impossible with the front clip on. Just hook the chain on to make it nose high and you can pivot up or down as needed while removing and installing. If the front clip is off the car the fancy tool works, but mine was used once and put away on the shelf since you can't pivot quickly while moving the engine in and out. I never drop the x member to pull the drive line as a unit, even though N8 tells me it's impossible every time we do it.:)

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JDP
12-20-2006, 10:51 PM
My problem with the tool was not being able to get it nose high enough to clear the grill and the 4 point chain hook up did not allow N8 to adjust the angle quickly as we moved the engine in and out.

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GTtim
12-20-2006, 11:14 PM
I pulled mine with the balancer tool just like the picture shows. I did not remove the fenders and it worked great. Remember though that with the chains short and the engine tilted way up you can get into trouble not being able to turn the crank on the balancer. Also remember to keep the end of the driveshaft in back of the trans to keep the oil in it.

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Kdancy
12-21-2006, 06:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

I have special head bolts I use and never re-use them in any engine. I ground into them and paint them red. Remember, when you pull an engine at that angle, don't plan on using those bolts for anything other than pulling other engines.[8D]

Excellent advice!!

JDP
12-21-2006, 09:58 AM
Funny talking about head bolts, I just noticed I have a 5 gallon pail full of extra head bolts and have to start a new one, lots of V8's must be laying around somewhere. :)

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