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    Air Force One. An Era Comes To An End......

    Sadly, Time marches on....
    The Air Force One paint scheme created by Raymond Loewy for the Kennedy administration in the early 1960's is being replaced. Should be on the 'new' planes being delivered in 2024.


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    Surprised it's not gold. Things change, good design doesn't have to.
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    I think the current color scheme is timeless...regardless of its Loewy origins. The proposed new schemes look too much like something an airline would do...not bad but less distinctive than the current colors scheme.
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    Yuk! What's wrong with the current paint job?
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    I didn't scan the article and I haven't heard anything about it yet.... Is the new Air Force One supposed to be a MAX?
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    Listened to the interview.
    Alas, I read this as "Change what you can, when you can, and make sure folks know you're the one that did it."

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    Two new 747s had been in the plan even before Trump lost his ability to be a private citizen; but he is not fond of the original Kennedy era paint scheme.
    The new planes are supposed to be a bit larger than the existing 747-400s, but full plans for the interior, as well as the paint, may still require congressional approval.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...design-1363766

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    I guess the new paint scheme is okay, but the old one was fine.


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    All I can say is, "Iconic" no more!

    Not at all inspirational...

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    Was never a fan of the baby/powder blue color so it was time to go. Nothing more patriotic than a red, white, and blue plane so those are the most appropriate colors. The design possibilities are endless though.

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    From what I've seen (TV) and read, the current, blue and white was a "collaboration" between Mrs. Kennedy and Loewy. Not just a Loewy design and color scheme. There was an hour long TV show about in a coupla months back.

    In any case, it seems it may be going back to earlier colors that were proposed (according to Wiki) by the Air Force that Jack Kennedy did not like with the red and gold that they wanted. He let Mrs. Kennedy handle the new "fresh" design and paint colors. Seems Loewy was more on the design and she was more on the colors. According to the TV show and sorta verified in (Wiki)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunslinger View Post
    The proposed new schemes look too much like something an airline would do...not bad but less distinctive than the current colors scheme.
    Not to mention something the US Marines have already done....

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/23032926@N05/5223859837



    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pile View Post
    I didn't scan the article and I haven't heard anything about it yet.... Is the new Air Force One supposed to be a MAX?
    Uhhhhhh..... no. Because there is no such thing as a 747Max.

    There are 737 variants in the fleet at the 89th Airlift Wing though. They are based on the 737-700BBJ.
    Those are known as C-40Bs, and the 89th has two of the four built.




    Quote Originally Posted by rockne10 View Post
    The new planes are supposed to be a bit larger than the existing 747-400s, but full plans for the interior, as well as the paint, may still require congressional approval.
    A 747-8I is bigger than a 747-400, yes. But the current VC-25 isn't a -400. It's a -200 with many parts from the -300 line.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Van Veghten View Post
    Seems Loewy was more on the design and she was more on the colors.
    If you've ever seen photos of what the jet (SAM 26000) looked like before the redesign-- you'd see that he didn't work too hard on his part.


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    Nice historical pix, Dave!
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    The US Marines have been painted that for many years, nothing new there.
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    Loewy vs Trump.jpg


    Here's a comparison of one of the original designs by Raymond Loewy Associates (courtesy of the Hagley Museum in Delaware, which has many of Loewy's papers) and an englargement of one of the options in the earlier photo from the Oval Office. President Trump says he's making this change "for future Presidents," but it's interesting to see how Loewy pitched the idea (supposedly in the same Oval Office) of a red, white, and blue AF One -- but President Kennedy opted for the blue on blue with silver bottom design instead.

    While I am generally a Trump supporter, I don't like this change. The new design -- to me -- looks like some old USAirways jet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by showbizkid View Post
    Nice historical pix, Dave!
    Thanks. They weren't too tough to find, but it did take some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverplate View Post
    The US Marines have been painted that for many years, nothing new there.
    As I noted in my post above, yes.
    The link should take you to one of their C-9Bs.





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    The new one looks like a zip van paint scheme.
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    The new one looks like a zip van paint scheme.
    And the Zipvan looked sharp, too - right?
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    Apparently Trump wants it painted to match his personal airplane.

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/imag...-2732-1366.jpg

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    Not saying nothing about the politics, but that is one unattractive paint scheme.
    Looks like they used hot mop roofing tar.

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    Apparently Trump wants it painted to match his personal airplane.
    Apparently NOT. A quick glance between the two is all it takes to determine the schemes are not alike except for colors.

    Looks like they used hot mop roofing tar.
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    Well, Airforce One is a military jet. Personally I think it might be a good idea to remind our Chief Executive of that. The Clinton's could have used that reminder from time to time. As such, the simpler, more military look to the plane seems more appropriate to me. After all, this plane is a courtesy extended to a civilian Commander by the Airforce, not the plaything of a Monarch.

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    its like picking a rambler over a lark

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    This is a solution in search of a problem, in my opinion.

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    Finally we have an issue to differentiate the presidential candidates! Someone please ask all the candidates what their position is regarding the new paint scheme on the new Air Force One.
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    Finally we have an issue to differentiate the presidential candidates! Someone please ask all the candidates what their position is regarding the new paint scheme on the new Air Force One.
    What a can of worms that would be if they all weighed in with a substantive answer (instead of just using the opportunity to attack each other).
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    Somehow you seem to have overlooked the fact that per the Constitution the president is Commander-in-Chief of ALL US military including the Air Force. There's no courtesy involved. The president can order them to fly him around in a B-52 or F-18 if he wants too. The Kennedy-Loewy design is great, but red, white and blue are our national colors.

    Quote Originally Posted by studeclunker View Post
    Well, Airforce One is a military jet. Personally I think it might be a good idea to remind our Chief Executive of that. The Clinton's could have used that reminder from time to time. As such, the simpler, more military look to the plane seems more appropriate to me. After all, this plane is a courtesy extended to a civilian Commander by the Airforce, not the plaything of a Monarch.

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    The new one looks a lot like the American Airlines color scheme to me.

    f651b47c0ecabfc232137e2da67e1fc9.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by edpjr View Post
    The president can order them to fly him around in a B-52 or F-18 if he wants too.
    Actually, yes and no.
    The Secret Service would first have to sign off on it.
    Something similar happened once.
    Just once.



    And, oh yes.... F-18s aren't flown by the US Air Force.
    So if that happened-- the CinC would be on either NAVY One, or Marine One~
    depending on whose bird it is, as they both fly various versions of said jet.





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    And by the way, I'd like to point out that the horrific USA Today renderings are by staff artists essentially stirring the pot about the whole process. None of them should be taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by showbizkid View Post
    And by the way, I'd like to point out that the horrific USA Today renderings are by staff artists essentially stirring the pot about the whole process. None of them should be taken seriously.
    Even the renderings Trump is holding up and stating "Here's your new Air Force One"?



    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/excl...ry?id=63676678

    Even the ones in the Fox News article Jeff links to in the OP?
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    No Dick. Clark is referring to these terrible renderings by the USA Today staff. Take a look at this link for the pictures.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ies/779318002/

    The pictures the President is holding up look great and better represent the USA than the current baby blue version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studefan View Post
    No Dick. Clark is referring to these terrible renderings by the USA Today staff. Take a look at this link for the pictures.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ies/779318002/

    The pictures the President is holding up look great and better represent the USA than the current baby blue version.
    Thanks. I saw no mention of USA Today in this thread. I figured we were talking about the pictures in Jeff's initial post. My bad.
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    I should have been clearer. I was referring to the screen grab in this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creegster View Post
    The new one looks a lot like the American Airlines color scheme to me.

    f651b47c0ecabfc232137e2da67e1fc9.jpg
    Maybe more like the 80's Delta.


    AAL was mainly all polished Aluminum to save weight..

    However, I don't mind the new color scheme. What bugs me is the 747 is not 100% American made, and much of the standard software is developed in foreign countries. I'm sure the special sauce software is all classified and made in the USA.


    While USAToday had this.. (my preference ..)


    Its already been done.. (1947-1953)





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    Ah... That video featured the L1011, perhaps the best designed post war commercial plane period... Thanks for posting it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=u6rQH3XmWNo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyOne View Post
    Ah... That video featured the L1011, perhaps the best designed post war commercial plane period... Thanks for posting it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=u6rQH3XmWNo
    Last commercial airplane Lockheed ever made as well..

    They have "civilized" the the C-130, which really doesn't count, since it was developed in 1954, L-1011 was 1970..

    Nor does any of the acquired "Sikorsky" commercial helicopters.

    Hard to believe the C-130 was developed in 1954 and still is a top freighter.

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