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    A Little Progress on the 37 Coupe

    I dropped by my friends place to check on progress of the rear end.
    We're using a F*rd Explorer 8.8 rear w/ 3.73 posi and disc brakes.
    Here's the unit set up in a 4 link system.
    Now on to the "Tubs" to fit fatter tires when I go with the fenders back on the car. But that may be awhile. I really like the no fender look right now.
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    Looking good Sal...but tubs...what are tubs??? we don't no stinkin tubs, this here thang is a hot rod! small back-spacing and tall pie-crusts are on the menu today. lol exterior photos? cheers, junior

    ps, how is the pancaked-roof wagon coming along?

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    I'm sure that down the road you will be glad that you have the rear ride height adjustable. Looks good.
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    Got the 37 Coupe back from my friends place.
    Engine mounts and trans mounts are done.
    It now has Wilwood master cylinder mounted with pedal.
    Steering is set up, but still needs "tuning". In other words, the rack n pinion still needs tweaking for alignment and the upper and lower control arms will be replaced with tubular. And the spindles will be swapped out with 2" dropped.
    The mini tubs are set up and welded in. This way I can add the larger tires in the rear when, (or if) I put the fenders back on.
    The floors are are welded in.
    Now it's off to the races to get this hog running for some Summer driving.
    I started mocking up the front sheetmetal this evening.
    My friend Steve and I were pondering on how to slim and trim the running boards for when they go back on too. We're imagining a "coke bottle" shape, borrowing from the Avanti.
    I'll try to post pix tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junior View Post
    Looking good Sal...but tubs...what are tubs??? we don't no stinkin tubs, this here thang is a hot rod! small back-spacing and tall pie-crusts are on the menu today. lol exterior photos? cheers, junior

    ps, how is the pancaked-roof wagon coming along?
    BTW, the pancaked roof wagon is still alive. It got relegated to the back burner cuz of the new kid in town.... the 37 Coupe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sals54 View Post
    BTW, the pancaked roof wagon is still alive. It got relegated to the back burner cuz of the new kid in town.... the 37 Coupe.
    Tough spot to be in...too many cool projects and not enough time. Hopefully the '54 gets regular exercise. Any static from restorers about the '37 NOT getting restored? cheers, junior

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    No static on the 37 for the hotrodding. At least not yet. But I'm not doing anything to the body. The car will always keep its 37 Coupe appearance from the outside. I believe, as most do, that it's already a gem as it sits. Fat tires and a raked stance is about all that's needed to make it truly a great looking hot rod.
    Here are some pix of the latest work.
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    First is the steering and Wilwood master cylinder. Quite a stretch from the original. Next is the rear floor and mini tub from the inside. The steering column. Last, the mini tub from the outside. A few more inches for wide tires when and if the rear fenders ever go back on.
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    Let me be the first to offer some static then. Shame on you.
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    Well Thom, in my defense, the car had already started its transformation into a hot rod when I got it. The front suspension was changed to Mustang 2 and the interior stripped out. The drivetrain was gone and all the wiring cut out.
    I know its not always enough to make the case, but I love the car and hope to keep it as stock looking as I can. We shall see how it all goes.
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    I love hot rods as long as the car is not stripped and smoothed so much that the original style is lost. Some of these cars end up looking like eggs with no heritage left.
    I adjusted your photos. They make me dizzy sitting sideways.
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    Sal,
    And a BBC should certainly motive that amount of weight. Any hot rodding plans for the motor?
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    Sal, I love the '37 project. Keep up the good work. It still represents the Studebaker world as far as I am concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzard View Post
    Sal,
    And a BBC should certainly motive that amount of weight. Any hot rodding plans for the motor?
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    No mods for now. I'm going to get it on the road first. Then when I've got most of the bugs out of it, it should not be too tough to do a simple cam swap.
    The other option might be to mount my 2 VS57's on it with a dual quad manifold. That might get some old timey attention.
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    Gas pedal got installed today. I used a 90s Chevy truck pedal assembly. Easy to fit to the car, and modifies very easily. Cable throttle with bracket and Edlebrock Carb mounted.
    Pix later.
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    would look nice with a set of "Artillery" Style wheels similar to originals... I wonder if you could make a "Sleeper"

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    I've been working on some stealth items, but today my speedometer came in the mail. I've used the Lark switches, some old SW gages and a speedo from a F100. I think there's about $40 spent on the whole thing so far. I'm waiting for my oil press gauge to show up. So far... I like it.IMG_5260.jpg
    I know... it's not for everybody... just for me.
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    And, I almost forgot... I had to put all the sheet metal on it to ensure that I got the nose located properly. While I had it all together, I took a picture of it. Here it is pretty much put together for fit.

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    But as I was looking at it, and loving it, I knew that it did not look right. So I tried my hand at some faux patina.

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    This is my first try at this "art", so try not to be too brutal on me. I fogged it with a little black, then a couple different "rust" colors here and there, then fogged again with white to dull it down, leaving some of the primer showing through.
    I gotta tell ya. I'm loving those fenders. Oh how one idea leads to another. I don't know fer sher where this is gonna end up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sals54 View Post
    I've been working on some stealth items, but today my speedometer came in the mail. I've used the Lark switches, some old SW gages and a speedo from a F100. I think there's about $40 spent on the whole thing so far. I'm waiting for my oil press gauge to show up. So far... I like it.IMG_5260.jpg
    I know... it's not for everybody... just for me.
    I love the fact you’re using the original bezel! Just so, so sad when I look in a vintage car and see the original dash replaced with a slab of aluminum with some random round gauges in it. This is the way to do it!
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    Absolutely spot on!!! The dash only compliments one of the best looking 30's sedans available. The faux patina looks pretty good but the good thing about that finish is if you don't like it, spray on more paint and sand until you like it.

    Personally, I'd probably do the car very much like you are.

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    When I see the pictures, I am 100% jealous. I already have too many projects, but if I see a 37 pop up for sale in the project price range, I'm jumping on it. By the way, my vote is rear fenders on, but sure it looks cool either way. The gauges look great, and for a great price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sals54 View Post
    I've been working on some stealth items, but today my speedometer came in the mail. I've used the Lark switches, some old SW gages and a speedo from a F100. I think there's about $40 spent on the whole thing so far. I'm waiting for my oil press gauge to show up. So far... I like it.IMG_5260.jpg
    I know... it's not for everybody... just for me.

    '61 Impala speedo? Project looks great! I like sleepers too.

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    Very similar to the Impala. Its a Ford F100 from 67ish truck. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it fit. Can't see the odometer, but who cares about that? I think I'll use that window as a turn signal indicator.
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    New support brackets for the front sheet metal are getting fabbed.
    With the new front suspension in place, the existing cross member which holds the front fenders, (and basically holds the entire front sheet metal together, ugh.) will no longer do that job. I'm trying to create a new method of hanging the front sheet metal.
    I want a means by which it allows me to run the car with or without the front fenders in place. I'm very close to achieving this, but it will take at least two steps to finish it. I'm on my way to the fab shop tomorrow. I will have them make the brackets which I mocked up in the garage. The fender support for the 37 is like a saddle, bolted in the center. It then flares out to the sides with horizontal panels which allow the fenders to rest on them, bolted down. The fenders then have two holes in which the front grill, (way too heavy), mounts. There are a couple other points in which the front grill is supported, but it hangs primarily on the fenders. The threaded rods back to the firewall complete the triangulation, but it is a terrible design.
    I'm not claiming mine will be a terrific improvement, but it will, at least, give me some latitude in how the car looks in whichever iteration I want to run it, fenders or not.
    Pictures as they come available.
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    It is hard to go wrong with the stock look, imho.
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    Yeah, I know. But I gotta do it my way. I’ll run it both ways depending on my mood,I guess.
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    I got the brackets for the front sheet metal done today. I'll take them off tomorrow for painting and post pictures. It looks like they will do the trick nicely. Very stout. 3/16 steel plate bent and welded to shape. Bolted to the frame horns for support.
    These are for the fenders to mount. I had to make these first cuz I needed to know that they would support the front end with everything in its proper place on X Y and Z axis.
    Next is to make another set, but this time without the horizontal "wings", but an added vertical tab to mount just the nose of the grill. More pictures for that too.
    Making a car simpler sure is complicated.
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    I like it! Looking at the firewall pix in posts 7 and 10, I see you installed a brake combination valve under the tandem MC. I was at the annual Street Rod National in Louisville a few days ago, and noticed all the kool kids are now running those combo valves. I am still trying to figure out how to mount one on a Hawk, and driven by determination. LOL

    Looking forward to seeing pix when you get'er on the road.

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    Here are the brackets I made up for the fender mounts. The long end bolts to the frame horns. As you can see, my scientific methodology caused me to redrill a couple of the holes before I got all the way done. Those two interfered with the welds on the cross member. The 45* angle allows for the top corner to miss the body work of the fender. Its 3/16" steel plate. The corners were slotted, not cut all the way through, then bent into the correct angle, then welded. I drilled everything to fit, instead of relying on the holes to be properly aligned from scratch. That is, of course, how I missed the location of the two inside mounts. Anyhoo. I bolted them all up and it's very solid as I had hoped. Last step on this stage is to be sure the nose of the grill has a solid mount to the frame horns as well. That is the only part which seems to want to move around anymore.

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    Next is to make a new set of brackets very similar to these. Instead of the horizontal part which carries the fenders, that part will bend upwards, vertical to carry only the mounting bolts of the nose of the grill. All else will remain the same.
    So I'll be interchanging the brackets depending on which iteration I'll be running. Fenders or no fenders.
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    Looking good! A lot of work that will be worth it in the end.

    Couple years back I did a double-take while driving out of Frankfort, KY, and turned around to snap some photos of the car below. Talked to the owner and he said he bought the it from the original owner in the early 2000s. He loved the body style so much, he did not want the guy building it to do anything with it. They pulled all the running gear and installed a complete set up from an early 2000s firebird or something similar to that. It will go to his oldest grandson because he found out it is the most expensive antique car in grandpa's collection.




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    Wow... that one is gorgeous. Sadly, mine will not look quite like that when it's "done". Not my style. Someone else down the line will have to do that part of it. But, like him, I'm not ravaging any part of the car which can not be put back together.
    I wonder if those headlights are a little cross-eyed? Mine are doing the same thing and I'm not sure I can get them to move out any further.
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    sals54, just wondering here....couldn't you just "massage" a very small flat top'd bump for the lights to set on to align them straight ? It probably wouldn't have to be very "tall" at all on the front of the bump, and I'm betting no one would ever notice.

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    Yeah, maybe. I've been looking at the way they mount to the side of the cowl. I think there might me a way to make a small cut in the opening on the side of the headlight pod which will allow more movement.
    It's another reason for wanting to securely mount all the front end sheet metal cuz the headlights seem to dance around when the car is moving. They are tight to the body, but the body is what is allowing the movement.
    So, if I can remedy both issues, I might have headlights that stay still while driving at night.
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    Cross-eyed lights? You sure the LEFT is on the LEFT and the RIGHT is on the Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junior View Post
    Looking good Sal...but tubs...what are tubs???
    Tubs are when you cut into the body so you can fit wider tires on the rear axle. The wider the tire the more traction you get when you take off....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thom View Post
    Let me be the first to offer some static then. Shame on you.
    You don't need to justify what you're doing to him. It's your car and you can modify it any way you want. If he doesn't like it that's just too bad. It's unfortunate that he wasn't mature enough to keep his negative opinion to himself. Keep up the great work....
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    Quote Originally Posted by (S) View Post
    Cross-eyed lights? You sure the LEFT is on the LEFT and the RIGHT is on the Right?
    Thanks for that observation. I will check to be sure they are in the correct location. Also need to check the stanchions to be sure they're on the right side. Again, I don't know why car makers do this sort of thing... to make two opposing parts which on the surface, appear to be identical, but yet are just different enough to cause trouble.
    I have a 1969 Pontiac Grand Prix. It has the four headlights up front and each one has a chrome trim around it. Looking at the car from the front, it looks like they are all the same shape, same size, same bezel. But NOOOOOOOOOO, they're not. Each one is its own part number and needs to be placed in the correct spot or they wont screw on. Wierd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50Champ View Post
    Tubs are when you cut into the body so you can fit wider tires on the rear axle. The wider the tire the more traction you get when you take off....
    I didn't see this one when it came up. Yeah... we cut into the body, but we also did a 4 link in the rear, which allowed for a narrowing of the frame also. The 37s have a perimeter frame which would not allow for a simple mini tub of the body alone as the frame is as wide as the body in the rear.
    If you look at the first pictures above, you can see how the frame was cut off, cross member added, and the 4 link added to that narrowed section. We then took the innner fenders which were cut out, added a strip of 4 inches per side then welded the inner fenders back in. It will now allow for wider tires in the rear with or without the rear fenders on the car.
    Its all part of my evil plan to run it fendered or unfendered. For now... no fenders. So far, so good.
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    Those have small casting numbers inside, or on the bottom somewhere. The last number tells you - ODD # is LEFT .

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    Battery is mounted in the trunk, 10 feet of 2 gage cable run to the front for starter. Ran it under the car along the frame rail. Three more ground cables to mount. Engine- frame, body-frame, engine-body. A little overkill perhaps, but not likely to suffer too many short issues.
    All ignition wiring is setup, new plugs and wires go on next. Might have it started by this Saturday. Can't wait. Open headers will sound pretty good. I'll post video if all goes well. Might post it grenading too, if that happens. We'll see.
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