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  • #46
    Ah, geez 63larkcustom. Who cares if it's the "least desireable" Studebaker. That's only true in the eyes of certain (and many) snobs. A good car is a good car. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. If it makes you feel good and the car works the way it should, then close your ears to the nay-sayers and follow your heart.
    "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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    • #47
      Keep looking around. You might find a suitable six in the local junk yard or another member might be able to locate one for you. Just have some patience.

      You're right in wanting to keep things as they originally were. The Chevy engine is not really superior to the Stude. The parts are just more available. After all both Chevy and Ford were each able to out produce Studebaker ten to one.

      Besides, the car was originally designed for the Stude motor. Adding a foreign component is asking for trouble. Good luck. You've got a nice car. Hope it goes well for you.

      Lotsa Larks!
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      • #48
        "The model 27 axle on your Lark will work fine with a mild GM engine, and a light foot. As long as you dont plan on drag racing, just have the axles checked for cracks and be on your way. "

        Yeah, right~ I've seen the results of 259 vs. Dana Model 27...
        Oh, wait- you said "light foot"- better make that more like "REALLY LIGHT FOOT", or a really mild SBC


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        • #49
          GM put weaker axles in some of their high performance cars then a 27.
          One of the biggest complaints about the 4th Gen Camaro is the axle.
          It is the same rearend that GM used in the Monza. Yet, I have over
          230,000 miles on my 1993 Camaro Z28 with a HEAVY foot. The reason it
          would break is if the car gets good traction with high hp. If its an
          "open diff" which most likely it is, the right rear tire will just
          spin harmlessly when too much gas is applied. Its not something that
          would HAVE to be replaced right away, but could be done later to save
          some money up front.

          Back to the Camaro, its an operating posi rearend, & 275/40R17 tires,
          so its probably been getting better traction then his Lark will get
          with one 205/75R15 tire grabbing the road.

          Tom
          '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
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          • #50
            Thanks for the cost cutting information on the chevy. I will not install anthing under the hood of my car that is not circa early 60's south bend studebaker. If I change to the gm, then i have a chevybaker... not what I'm after. Its not a matter of not having the money to spend on the car..but rather spending where it makes sense. Frankly, I if I had to, I would rather sell my studey for parts in the hopes of keeping someone elses alive.

            Bob Sporner

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            • #51
              Thats unfortunate, to rather part out the car then use a Chevy engine
              to put it back on the road? We sold a low miles 64 Stude straight 6
              for 150 bucks years ago. Had a 3 spd w/OD attached. Ran great.

              I have a 1960 Hawk V8 with low miles, but no bellhousing. It had the
              TH700R4 bolted to it and the Steeltech kit. Its a built engine tho
              and would tear that little Lark apart.

              I hope you change your mind on parting it out, a rust free Lark really
              should be saved, whats good about it is under the skin. Studebaker
              Canada used Chevy engines in 65-66, so its not like its evil. Maybe
              you might get lucky and find a semi-local running Stude 6.

              Tom
              '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
              Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
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              • #52
                You know Bob, asking questions is good but listening to all the answers isn't always good. You've been given a lot of good advice, but sometimes you need to stop listening to others (myself included) and start listening to yourself. It sounds like your car has a sound body and to me that's worth more than any high horsepower engine. If you want a Stude 6...go for it. Having the most horsepower on the block impresses no one except maybe the 13 year old kid that rides his bicycle past your house everyday. And yourself. If it's hp that you live and breath for, go ahead and mortgage the house in your quest. You don't need a concours quality paint job. All it takes is one pokeberry eating bluejay to poop on the car and you have a permanent purple spot for all enternity. You want paint? Buy some sandpaper, a Chinese made spray gun and a gallon of tractor enamel at the local farm store. It's good stuff, believe me. Fix the stock brakes and they'll stop you. Not as well as new discs, but so what? You could have super disc brakes but be hit by an old man in a restored '57 Chevy with orginal brakes. You can't out guess everything. If the seats are shot, hit a salvage yard for something that will work. In short, please yourself with what YOU want and don't let anyone else's ideas or opinions sway you. If you want a driver, it's won't stay pristeen no matter how careful you are, so don't strive for perfection the first time. Knowing from the get go that the car isn't going to be perfect reduces the headaches. Consider this; forget what you've been told by myself and others, go out and look at your Stude, decide how and what you want it to be and go from there. And if someone comes along and offers "advice" without you asking, politely tell them to go work on their own car because you're busy working on yours!

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                • #53
                  Thanks guys! The car is not going to be parted out!! I repeat NOT parted out. What I was saying is in my opinion, I would rather part it out than put a chevy under the hood. If others choose to do that to their car, that is their perrogative. For me, my little putt putt studie 6 cylinder and a Maaco paint job with some nice leather seats from something a bit newer will do the trick. I'm not gonna skimp on the mechanicals nor will i be destroying the original interior parts. For right now, it will be put back on the road with Studebaker running gear and brakes. I've already spent a lot on the head, it would be a shame not to finish what i've started. SO, respectfully, if you have a comment or suggestion on how to do this project best with the studebaker parts, whether new or used, please comment.

                  thanks,
                  .

                  Bob Sporner

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                  • #54
                    Will you be sticking with the overhead valve six, or put in an earlier flathead? If I remember right, the 185 cu. in. flathead had a little more power than the later six. I could be wrong. Nothing wrong with the later one either. I'm just curious.
                    "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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                    • #55
                      Right now I'm sticking with the ohv6. My machine shop is trying a few things with the original block. If that does not work. I know where I can get a decent core to work with. So, for right now, my focus is on getting the engine done.. see if the tranny has issues..then go from there.. the biggest expense is gonna be the engine.. hands down.. but well worth it upon hearing the little engine putter back to life.

                      Bob Sporner

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                      • #56
                        If you just want to get it on the road, you might be able to find a good running Studebaker ohv6 and put it in cheaper than rebulding yours now. Then you could enjoy your car and take your time getting the original engine rebuilt. You'd probably have to dial indicate the alignment of the bellhousing, but that shouldn't be a big deal. A decent six cylinder engine should be relatively easy to find.
                        "Madness...is the exception in individuals, but the rule in groups" - Nietzsche.

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                        • #57
                          HI Scott, I'd love to just put it on the road..but it needs the suspension/brake system/dashboard/wiring harness etc gone through.. I've disassembled pretty much everything on the car.. So, I might as well take my time and do it a step at a time. My machine shop is pretty good and a quick turn. I have some parts on order from SASCO so, not its a matter of waiting on them to arrive. The car trully is just a shell.. albeit a very good one.

                          Bob Sporner

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                          • #58
                            Well, I thought this was just gonna be a driver project.. looks like I've taken more of a plunge than anticipated... Attached are photos of where the car is now. I guess its safe to say, she'll hopefully be very nice in a few months from now. http://s104.photobucket.com/albums/m190/63larkcustom/

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                            • #59
                              Oh, it's that old Lark! Was the interior of yours Rose Mist? I have a wagon in that colour. Exterior was white. Kind of like yours.(LOL)
                              I have a four-door '62 with a stuck six as well. I'm currently taking apart the running six out of one of my Champs to reconfigure into an automatic setup for the sedan. Hopefully I'll have it back on the road in a few weeks.
                              Good luck with yours! Looks like you've got a really good start.

                              Oh! Oh! Brain storm here. If you want some comfortable seats, try those from an old Merc. Cougar. Something I'm seriously considering for my sedan. I had an 82 that had the best seats of any car I've ever owned. The rest of the car was junk. But what can you expect for a Ford product?



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                              • #60
                                I have to admit, you guys make me feel guilty for the 100 or so cars like that, that have died at my hand to become organ donors. If it was not for the guys saving the " bread and butter" Studebakers, they'd mostly be gone by now.
                                On the flip side, someone will likly provide parts from cars they've parted out to bring this one back.


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