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  • Fuel System: V-8 Fuel pump item number?

    My local Carquest lists their fuel pump # 4227 back to 1955 Studebaker V-8. Should it also fit the '51, '52, '53 and '54 V-8?
    And when did Studebaker move the pump from the oil filler neck to the passenger side of the block?
    "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

    Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
    Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
    sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

  • #2
    The pump moved in 55, along with a redesign of the heads and valve train.

    the 55 and newer pump has a different actuator/arm than the 51-54 pump.
    RadioRoy, specializing in AM/FM conversions with auxiliary inputs for iPod/satellite/CD player. In the old car radio business since 1985.

    17A-S2 - 50 Commander convertible
    10G-C1 - 51 Champion starlight coupe
    10G-Q4 - 51 Champion business coupe
    4H-K5 - 53 Commander starliner hardtop
    5H-D5 - 54 Commander Conestoga wagon
    56B-D4 - 56 Commander station wagon
    60V-L6 - 60 Lark convertible

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    • #3
      As I feared. Thanks, Roy.
      "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

      Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
      Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
      sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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      • #4
        I may have found it at NAPA. It comes in tomorrow morning, if it's correct I'll post the part number.
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        2005 Dodge Magnum
        1952 Studebaker Land Cruiser

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        • #5
          You guys may have this but I found this while part surfing.

          Rjtechx/rjparts (reviewed Feb 2007)
          Sep 2009- NOTE: The Airtex 4227 and Carter (NAPA) M2211 are the SAME pump. They both are made
          cheaply, have the pivot pin oil leakage issues and will probably fail within a year. There are numerous
          references to their problems on the SDC Forum.. For a V8, the best bet is to go to an electric pump.


          FUELP --AIRTEX: 65-66..194 & 230 ci......Airtex 6790 /
          FUELP - 62-64..169 ci.....Airtex 4703 / 59-61 ALL.....Airtex 4703 /
          FUELP - 65-66 283 ci........Airtex 40254 /
          FUELP - 39-54 CHAMPION 6cyl(std.mtr)....Airtex 527
          FUELP - COMMANDER-LARK 62-64 259ci........Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 59-61 ALL........Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 55-58 COMMANDER & PREZ.........Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 56 SKYHAWK......Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 62-64 289 ci........Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 62-64 E7,E12,E13,E28,E40,3E,6E.......Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 59-61 E2,E7,E12,E13,E28,E38,E40, 3E,4E..........Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 55-61 185 ci & 224 ci 6cyl E5,E10,......Airtex 527 /
          FUELP - 1958 3E7,EB,E8B,E12,E13,E28, E28B.......Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 55-57 2E,3E7,E12,E13,E28,28B,E38, 38B,3E40,3E40B......Airtex 4227 /
          FUELP - 1954 169 ci 6 cyl, 3R5,3R10.....Airtex 527 /
          FUELP - 49-53 169 ci 6 cyl, 2R5,2R10.....Airtex 527 /
          FUELP - 47-48 169 ci 6 cyl, M5,M15A,.....Airtex 527 /
          FUELP - 41-45 169 ci 6 cyl, M15........Airtex 527 /
          FUELP - NAPA V-8..... M2211 (Standard, not R-series) Champ 6 -----M958
          FUELP - 41-61 trucks and 39-54 Champion cars Standard 40527
          FUELP - 59-64 six cylinder cars Standard 44703, Airtex AC 4703
          FUELP - 55-64 eight cylinder cars and trucks Standard 44227, Airtex AC4227
          FUELP - 65-66 six cylinder cars Standard 4679000
          FUELP - 65-66 eight cylinder cars Standard 40254
          FUELP - RQB - 81 Fuel Pump - AC 41216
          FUELP - 63 - 64 Avanti R1 / R4 Fuel pump 1557213 Carter M 3509S Carter* 2063 *Require: Some modification
          FUELP - 63 - 64 Avanti R2 / R3 Fuel Pump 1557015 Carter M 35008S
          FUELP - 63 64 R1 -CARTER - #M35095
          FUELP - 259-289 fuel pump Carter-federal Mogul # M2211
          FUELP - 63 Cuiser 289 - AC 4156 or Rayloc 24156.


          FUELP - 41-61 trucks and 39-54 Champion cars Standard 40527 or NAPA M958(Carter) or AutoZone Master 527


          FUELP - 59-64 six cylinder cars Standard 44703, Airtex AC 4703


          FUELP - 55-64 eight cylinder cars and trucks Standard 44227, Airtex AC4227


          FUELP - 65-66 six cylinder cars Standard 4679000


          FUELP - 65-66 eight cylinder cars Standard 40254


          FUELP - 51-54 V-8 - UDS Fuel Pump Part #9647
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          ELECTRIC replacement pumps ( Jun 2004)
          NAPA - ECHELIN 610-1050 - is a 12V, inline, solenoid pump, freely
          found in NAPA stores. Lightweight allows you to just let it hang in line with
          the fuel lines. no reliability issues reported yet, although they're chheap
          enough ($49.00 - Sep 09) to buy 2 and keep one next to it.
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          Fuel pump (electric) Master E80125 Autozone ( Dec 2005)
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          Jan 2007 - 59 Lark - M2211 NAPA
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          ELECTRIC replacement pumps
          NAPA - ECHELIN 610-1050 - is a solid state, inline, rotary pump, freely
          found in NAPA stores. Lightweight allows you to just let it hang in line with
          the fuel lines. no reliability issues reported yet, although they're chheap
          enough ($30) to buy 2 and keep one next to it.
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          Fuel Pumps
          6-VOLT electric fuel pumps: factory fresh 6-volt fuel pumps with
          1-year factory warranty, fixed pressure 4-7 psi, $49.50 ea postpaid
          ; adjustable pressure pumps, 2-6 psi, $83.50 ea postpaid; brochure
          and information sheets available for #10 SASE; also repair parts for
          AC, Walbro, Dupree, Borg-Warner, Capac and Autopulse pumps. Don McKinsey,
          PO Box 94H, Wilkinson, IN 46186. Nov 2004)
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          Mar 2007
          6 Volt electric-
          Car Quest Part #E8011 6 volt Electric Fuel pump. Lists for $99.05 I picked it
          up today for 64.79


          NAPA P4259 (~$110) which comes with heavy duty mounting bracket and fittings. This pump runs very quiet
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          (Aug 2007)
          The E8011 (6 volt) or E8012S (12 volt) pumps are solenoid type pumps which can be used in draw thru applications. They are available from a number of suppliers under various part numbers.


          The MAC's numbers are EFP-9350-6 (6 volt) and EFP-9350-12 (12 volt).


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          February 2003 Turning Wheels' Co-Operator, with a follow-up in the
          June 2003 Co-Operator, Jim. BP
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          NAPA for old Ford tractors, etc.
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          NOTE: If you can't find a Stude type V8 pump, buy a 230GM Six unit, of the same Brand, IE Airtex and swap the pump arm of your old with the new. /Turning Wheels, sometime in the 70's
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          2005 Dodge Magnum
          1952 Studebaker Land Cruiser

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          • #6
            I have a rebuilt one laying on the shelf. If yiou don't find one let me know. I have changed my direction on building a 232 for my 53.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rockne10 View Post
              And when did Studebaker move the pump from the oil filler neck to the passenger side of the block?
              Studebaker moved the pump to the drivers side (left) on their V-8's, the passenger side pump arrived with the Chevy engine in 65.
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              62 Champ 3/4 ton 5 speed o/drive
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Warren Webb View Post
                Studebaker moved the pump to the drivers side (left) on their V-8's, the passenger side pump arrived with the Chevy engine in 65.
                Well, actually, one model did have it on the passenger side in 56.
                Bez Auto Alchemy
                573-318-8948
                http://bezautoalchemy.com


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                • #9
                  Mine's working fine now, but Art Campbell's looking for one for his '52.
                  So, is there a part number from Carquest, Advance, NAPA, O'Reilly or any others for the early V-8 fuel pump? Or can we only get the 535701 from SI for $150 with core, or rebuild kits for the ones we have?
                  Last edited by rockne10; 05-01-2014, 07:40 PM.
                  "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

                  Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
                  Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                  sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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                  • #10
                    Right Brad! Only the '56 Golden Hawk with the 352" Packard V8 had the fuel pump on the passenger side.
                    Howard - Los Angeles chapter SDC
                    '53 Commander Starliner (Finally running and driving, but still in process)
                    '56 Golden Hawk (3 speed/overdrive, Power steering - Running, but not yet driving)
                    '62 GT Hawk (4 speed, A/C, Power steering - running and DRIVING!)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by bezhawk View Post
                      Well, actually, one model did have it on the passenger side in 56.
                      Well, how many RHD Studebakers had the pump on the passenger side?
                      Jim Bradley
                      Lake Monticello, VA
                      '78 Avanti II
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                      • #12
                        We'll my hopes of a NAPA pump for the old 52 were dashed on to the rocks. I may have been able to make it work but decided not to. Tomorrow is a big swap meet at Rhinebeck in Dutchess County I should be able to get something there.
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                        2005 Dodge Magnum
                        1952 Studebaker Land Cruiser

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