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    I am reassembling the front wheels on the Lark. Since there are no assembly instructions in the manual, could someone tell me where the Woodruff key goes in? Is it before you install the outer bearing? Before the keyed washer? Is the flat side seated in the spindle, or the round Side? Help!

    Never done this before and I feel really dumb right now [8] So close to getting the wheels back on!


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    Clark in San Diego
    '63 F2/Lark Standard
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  • #2
    you mean the little one at the bottom of the spindle? the flat side faces out, the rounded part goes into the spindle.

    nate

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    • #3
      Yeah, that's the one. So I put the rounded side into the spindle - THEN install the outer bearing and the washer?


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      Clark in San Diego
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      • #4
        And cork gasket.

        JDP/Maryland
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        • #5
          I'm trying to remember now... been a while since I have done this... but I *THINK* you have to put the kingpin through the spindle, with the thrust bearing and washers, THEN put the Woodruff key in, THEN put the knuckle on the bottom of the kingpin and tighten everything down. I can't recall if it's possible to sneak the kingpin through the spindle without removing the Woodruff key or not.

          If you are rebuilding, you're supposed to test-assemble all this stuff without the little round cork gasket, check endplay, shim as necessary, then assemble it for real. It's probably easier to do this without the Woodruff key in place until the final assembly. If you have a needle bearing in the bottom of the kingpin, dab some grease on it before you try to assemble otherwise it's almost guaranteed that you will knock some of the needles out and start cussin'. I can't guarantee that even well coated with grease you won't anyway.

          good luck,

          nate

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          • #6
            Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I'm talking about actually bolting the wheel hub to the spindle! You know, prior to putting on the brake drum.

            Grease up the inner and outer wheel bearings, install the oil seal in the hub, place the hub on the spindle - then what?


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            '63 F2/Lark Standard
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            • #7
              "Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I'm talking about actually bolting the wheel hub to the spindle! You know, prior to putting on the brake drum.

              Grease up the inner and outer wheel bearings, install the oil seal in the hub, place the hub on the spindle - then what?"

              Well, a little clearer, but still corn-foozin'. You don't BOLT the wheel hub to the spindle, you MOUNT the entire drum assembly with greased bearings on the spindle, then draw up the spindle nut until the bearings are seated, then slack it off a flat and install and lock the cotter pin.

              There is no Woodruff key on the spindles. The keyway on the spindle is for the washer with the internal tang.

              Sounds like somebody removed your drums with the wrong kind of puller, or installed new drums on the hub without swaging the studs. The drums are normally swaged to the hubs. Having them a loose fit on the studs isn't the end of the world, as long as they are not SO loose that they can be mounted eccentrically.

              If the holes in the drums are wallowed out, or if the surface that meets the flange on the hub is distorted, you should throw the drums away and get new ones, or get complete good used hub/drum assemblies.

              There IS a Woodruff key used in the bottom of the king pin (aka king bolt) where it goes into the eye on the lower trunnion. It can only fit one way: the round side of the key into the semi-circular keyway on the king pin.

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              • #8
                just insert the outer bearing race, keyed washer, then the big nut. Tighten the big nut down just enough to get rid of all the play in the bearing and insert a cotter pin, install the grease cap, et voila. No Woodruff key involved there (that's why I thought you were talking about assembling the kingpin.) But the hub and drum should be swaged together, are you saying that your drum just slides off the lug studs?

                nate

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                • #9
                  Well, now I really do feel stoopid! [:I] Somehow, I was sure I read somewhere that a Woodruff key went into that spindle keyway... D'OH!

                  quote:Originally posted by N8N

                  But the hub and drum should be swaged together, are you saying that your drum just slides off the lug studs?
                  Yes, the swages have been cut on both front and rear drums of my car.

                  Slinking off in shame now...


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                  '63 F2/Lark Standard
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                  • #10
                    There is a key in the axle shaft where the REAR hub presses on, maybe that's what you were thinking of.

                    nate

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                    • #11
                      I figured it out... it was the key that goes into the steering arms where they bolt into the knuckle!

                      Thank you all for helping me figure that out. I'd gotten myself so worked up over it I'd have been there all night!


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                      Clark in San Diego
                      '63 F2/Lark Standard
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                      www.studebakersandiego.com

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                      • #12
                        Ah, I didn't even think of that one, because I've never removed the steering arms. I tried to do it *once* for detailing purposes and frustrated myself; only reason I can see why I'd do it is to try swapping to the "quick steering" arms or if one were damaged somehow.

                        nate

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