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  • JDP
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    Thanks, maybe we'll just do the factory wheel and dog dish thing.

    JDP/Maryland
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    64 GT R2
    63 Lark 2 door
    58 Scotsman
    52 & 53 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • Allan Songer
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    Great! It's REALLY solid.

    You can't drive it until you put the correct wheels on it--the kid who is selling the car bolted on wheels with an offset so wrong that the tires on the back are actually touching the fenders.

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  • JDP
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    Bought it, my brand new L.A. California dealer will pick it up. It runs, and drives, just need to bolt the trim back on the Maaco paint job.

    JDP/Maryland
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    64 GT R2
    63 Lark 2 door
    52 & 53 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • bams50
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    quote:Originally posted by Allan Songer

    I am passing on it because of a lack of storage space! I can't find anyone who will let me park it on their property for the 5-6 months I need before I make room at my place.
    A few years ago a buddy wanted this 60 Lincoln on eBay. He hit the BIN even though his wife "forbade" him to buy it[}] Ended up having it shipped to my place where I kept it for him for 8 months till he arranged a place to keep and work on it behind his wife's back; then had it shipped there... still has it, finally told his wife when it was pretty well fixed up... Don't know how or why anyone would live like that!

    So Allan- or anyone else- big advantage of being a country boy is, if you need a place to stash a toy (for whatever reason) I'll offer you free storage!

    (NOTE: Storage donor offers no guarantee that driving r2 cars will not be.... "moved".... a few miles to facilitate storage...)

    Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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  • Allan Songer
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    Go for it! I have the cash in my pocket (actually got it last Friday at the bank, as I was going to buy it on Saturday), but NOWHERE to park the car.

    I am passing on it because of a lack of storage space! I can't find anyone who will let me park it on their property for the 5-6 months I need before I make room at my place. Got two other "projects" here that have been sittin' a while ('64 R1 Wagonaire and a 1952 MG TD).

    I've been scramblin' for some space, but I just won't pay $175 per month to park the darn thing.

    By the way, I pretty much talked him down to $1300.
    BUY IT, BUDDY!

    --and if you ever want to dump it down the road before working on it, let me know

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  • JDP
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    Is someone going to buy this car, or not ? It'd down to $1400 and that is just getting silly. I don't want to buy it out from under anyone, but someone is going to snag it for a rod.

    JDP/Maryland
    64 Daytona HT/R2 clone
    64 GT R2
    63 Lark 2 door
    52 & 53 Starliner
    51 Commander
    39 Coupe express
    39 Coupe express (rod)

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  • fmarshall
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    This may or may not help.

    As a youngster, I had a 56 Champion/Pelhan 2-door Wagon. It was a 6-cyl, three speed, column shift. After I grenaded the engine one night, I obtained a V8 out of a 55 Commander, that this guy had around the block from me. He was going to put a Caddy v8 in the Stude and go drag racing.

    So, $15 for the good v8, and off to swap engines. My friends dad welded some channel iron on top of each existing engine support on the frame. And then we bolted the engine in with its original mounts from the commander.

    I got a truck tranny from a wrecking yard that had a top load 3-speed shifter. Cut a hole on the floor and added a shift boot, taking the shifter off the column. Then I had the drive shaft shortened.

    The car ran GREAT!!

    And the brakes held it ok. The six probably weighed just as much. And the v8 was smaller than the 259, though I don't recall the exact CID.

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  • PackardV8
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    Hi, Rich,

    And there was even a photo [:I]

    However, the Scotsman sedan will benefit from the recommendations other than the cowl cover. They weren't overburdened with sound-deadening insulation.

    Keeping it light in weight, a strong 289" will a pull the T10 transmission with 3.07 gears and will be a decent compromise on the highway. The T-85 has worked well in the much heavier '56J with 3.31 gears and just slides down the highway. A TwinTraction rear end should be considered a necessity. The Scotsman sedans are traction-challenged with the 289".

    thnx, jv.

    PackardV8

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  • Roscomacaw
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    I agree with Rich here, but I will say that given the nature of this proposed sleeper, a T-85 might be a nice option over the T-10. Get a floor shifter if you're so inclined. Think FIVE speeds + economy![:0][][^]

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle


    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

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  • StudeRich
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    Ahh...Jack we ARE talking about a '58 Scotsman 2dr. Sedan CAR, here right? [8)]

    These are great tips however, for us Transtar owners! [^]

    quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

    A C-cab is noisy under the best of circumstances. The 28% overdrive makes a huge difference.

    The other tip is to use an electric fan. It will dramatically quiet a C-cab on the highway.

    Third, I am considering the kit with the two-piece sheet metal cover for the underhood cowl. That, lined with DynaMat, with the overdrive and the electric fan, makes a C-cab almost bearable on the highway.
    PackardV8
    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA

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  • PackardV8
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    Greetings, Allan,

    FWIW, I've owned both and the T-85 truck transmission is a much
    better daily driver than the T-10. The T-10 direct 4th makes too many RPMs at todays highway speeds. A C-cab is noisy under the best of circumstances. The 28% overdrive makes a huge difference.

    The other tip is to use an electric fan. It will dramatically quiet a C-cab on the highway.

    Third, I am considering the kit with the two-piece sheet metal cover for the underhood cowl. That, lined with DynaMat, with the overdrive and the electric fan, makes a C-cab almost bearable on the highway.

    thnx, jv.

    PackardV8

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  • gordr
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    Alan, that sounds like it'd be a great project. A blacked-out Scotsman sleeper, what fun!

    If you have the room, this is the sort of project that cries out for a donor car: one-stop shopping for all the brackets, linkage, brakes, and so on.

    With big horsepower, though, I think a Turner brake kit would be a real good idea.

    Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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  • Roscomacaw
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    Rear mount's different too. Besides that, to do the 3spd tranny, you'll need different shifter rods, some different clutch operating parts, the V8 throttle bellcrank and different wiring. Sounds formidable, but I'd bet you could find most of what's needed quite easily.
    Yes, a Hawk rear should fit it as well.

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle


    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

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  • Allan Songer
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    quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

    Allan; I assume you mean the engine mount BRACKETS?
    My book shows for '55-'58 Eights, you need 532400 and 532401, and I thought you could use the brackets from '59-'64 Larks and Lark types... NO DICE! they're different!

    Engine mounts are "replacement parts" and are no problem, we all have those for around $25.00 a pair.

    quote:Originally posted by Allan Songer

    Are V8 motor mounts easy to find?
    StudeRich
    Studebakers Northwest
    Ferndale, WA
    Yeah, the brackets are what I meant! Thanks.

    How about the rear mount? Same for manual trans 6 and 8?

    Sorry if I seem like an idiot, but I have never owned a 50's sedan--only Larks, Hawks and trucks!



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  • 41 Frank
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    SASCO shows the motor mount frame brackets available for $15.20 a pc.
    532400 and 532401

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