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  • Transmission / Overdrive: Need Tech Assist on Borg Warner T10 + R11 OD

    Some months back a good friend brought a tech paper from a Borg Warner training center which detailed placing an R11 overdrive unit behind a T10 transmission. This was not from Borg Warner Corp, but was endorsed as a training excercise and included detailed drawings of parts modifications and assembly with step by step description of the process. It was marked clearly as Borg Warner training center documentation. Somehow, we have misplaced the original document and have no paper or digital copies. Does anyone have a copy of this? This was not the literature from John Erb or the fellow he sold his conversion setup to, although I would like to get any of this documentation as well. The final function was very, very similar to what ended up as the Doug Nash 4 + 3 transmission used in Corvettes, with the DN trans being based on the Super T10. I have collected the OEM parts and want to build this setup as it is period correct for my current Studebaker project.

    Any leads are appreciated.
    Jim
    Often in error, never in doubt
    http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

    ____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

  • #2
    More info
    The file I saw was 3 or 4 page file came from Buster Urbach who way back in 1970's was office mgr for Borg Warner Parts Div. on Gage Street in Franklin Park
    Jim
    Often in error, never in doubt
    http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

    ____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

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    • #3
      Have you tried John Shannahan?

      Seriously. I hope you get this sorted out.

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      • #4
        If you find it, please post it! I have a Sag. 4spd w/od going into my Hawk, but the T-10 would be handy for a more powerful car or truck. Thanks. -Jim

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        • #5
          Hi, Jim,

          If you find the B-W tech paper, I'd love a copy also.

          I've never seen the tech paper, but I've got the actual transmission. Back in the early '60s, Tom Beatty, an old SoCal dry lakes racer, built and sold the casting and the modified tailshaft to hook the R11 overdrive to a T10. Our local expert, Alan Emory, was there in the day and built several for Tom Beatty and for Lionel Stone.

          IIRC, they never sold well and Stone bought the patterns from Beatty. He later sold them to someone who is lost in the mists of time. Anyway, Alan had one brand new unit left and sold it to me. It is a Chevy T10 with a long shaft Ford R11 overdrive and a custom Hurst shifter. To use it in a Stude, I'd have to find a Chevy pattern bellhousing, use a Chevy clutch disc and make a pilot bearing extension.

          I'll try to get some photos of it and post them.

          jack vines
          PackardV8

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          • #6
            I would be interested also.
            Jamie McLeod
            Hope Mills, NC

            1963 Lark "Ugly Betty"
            1958 Commander "Christine"
            1964 Wagonaire "Louise"
            1955 Commander Sedan
            1964 Champ
            1960 Lark

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            • #7
              I would like this for my '63 Hawk. Save fuel, increase engine life and reduce engine noise when flying down the highway and yet it would remain stock looking inside.
              sigpic
              In the middle of MinneSTUDEa.

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              • #8
                Well, thanks to John Shannahan spending 8 hours going through his many stuffed file cabinets with me, we found the paper. It is for a T10 and R10 combo. Somewhere, I've seen using the 4 planet gear OD instead of the 3 planet gear version, so I'm still searching but part of the puzzle is documented.
                Jim
                Often in error, never in doubt
                http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

                ____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jlmccuan View Post
                  Well, thanks to John Shannahan spending 8 hours going through his many stuffed file cabinets with me, we found the paper. It is for a T10 and R10 combo. Somewhere, I've seen using the 4 planet gear OD instead of the 3 planet gear version, so I'm still searching but part of the puzzle is documented.
                  I would definitely use the R11 over the R10. And I know, there's an R11 with your name on it.

                  For guys that aren't planning on going 170 miles an hour at Bonneville, the easier to find R10 may not be a bad idea.

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                  • #10
                    BTW, I plan to convert this to PDF and forward it to Bob Johnstone for public archival access. I'll post the link here.
                    Jim
                    Often in error, never in doubt
                    http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

                    ____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________http://rabidsnailracing.blogspot.com/

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