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  • #16
    What's the old line about too many cooks spoiling the Stue??? [}]

    You NEED a 58 or later T-86 O/D CAR (not truck) transmission. Period.
    Yes, MAYBE something else COULD be cobbled into a workable alternative, but why go that "maybe" route and risk frustration and wasted time and money???
    It's not wrong to suggest that a TRUCK T-86 "COULD" work because they are of the same "Family" (the T-86 family). But they were modified in different ways to accomodate the service and the installation they were expected to see. Truth is, "T-86" isn't very defining. T-86s were used in Fords and Ramblers too, yet I doubt any of them would be bolt-on ready to run in a Stude.

    Heck, there's FIVE different part numbered T-86O/D trannies listed for '58 thru 64 V8 cars! While these would ALL look alike externally, there's differences in the gear ratios to attain the IDEAL performance with the rear axle they were intended to be paired with OR, in some cases the duty they might be expected to see.
    That said, I think any of them would do fine for what you expect from your wagon. Anyone here wanna educate me otherwise? I don't wanna be offering up wrong info.

    Prior to 1958, the cars used a 2-piece driveshaft that hooked up to the tranny in a totally different way. This means earlier trannys are not going to accept your current driveshaft - period.

    I wish I had one to sell you. I don't. In fact, the only such tranny I have here at the moment is one that's in a running car.
    There was one in a wrecking yard about 80 miles from me that I've needled myself about not saving, but they want $100 for it and I have to get in the dirt to free it from where it's trapped. [:I]

    Miscreant adrift in
    the BerStuda Triangle


    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe

    No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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    • #17
      quote:Originally posted by PackardV8
      To get a used transmission shipped to you, install it in a couple of hours late at night and then drive it to South Bend and back with no problems will sorely tempt fate.
      It certainly might tempt fate, but I wouldn't say Robert's plan is totally out of the question. He says he'll have 2 mechanics to help him. Sure, if you start breaking off bolts or find some "mystery" problem, it may not work out, but just changing out a stick shift trans is not a super difficult project (especially with the help Robert will have and the use of a lift). I've done it in under 4 hours and I'm not that good .


      Dick Steinkamp
      Bellingham, WA

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      • #18
        OK, here's what the trans. says on the side:

        T86E-1T
        W.O. Division


        Mike- Still am not able to get an e-mail through to you; please get back to me or let me have your phone # and a good time to call- or mine is 315-440-7351.

        Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
        Parish, central NY 13131
        http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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        • #19
          The flat rate for a three-speed swap is probably around 30 minutes. 1. If there is a new, identical transmission on the cart.
          2. If the car has been steam-cleaned underneath

          But as we know, most Studebakers have about an inch of hard grease/dirt caked on the transmission. The shift linkage arms on the exchange transmission are different for some reason, could it have had a floor shift conversion? The U-joint bolts must have been hit by a curb at some point, cause they are bent. Actually, it needs new U-joints, cause there aren't any needles left in these and it is late and the parts stores are closed. The overdrive seems to be wired up correctly, but doesn't work at all. And why is it jumping out of second gear on overrun? And is that the sun coming up? Been there, done that. I was eighteen and thankfully, the pain has faded, but not the memory.

          thnx, jv.


          PackardV8
          PackardV8

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          • #20
            quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

            Been there, done that.
            Me too- only literally probably a hundred times.

            Thanks again- and keep that trans. safe from folks like me.

            Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
            Parish, central NY 13131
            http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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            • #21
              Here's dumb idea for your consideration: why not pull the bad tranny out, and bring it AND the car to South Bend. Line up a source or two for parts, and have a tranny repair seminar right there in the parking lot. Turn it into a teaching/learning experience.

              I'm willing to get my hands dirty.

              Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands
              Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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              • #22
                Hmm....... interesting idea! I'd be willing to get into it- except for laying under the car re-installing it...[xx(]

                I could bring Molly in running condition with a donor trans. already in, redo the original per your idea, and reinstall it at a later date back home- on the lift...

                What do you think of that?

                P.S. to hotwheels- still waiting to hear back from you....[?]

                Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                Parish, central NY 13131
                http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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                • #23
                  quote:Originally posted by bams50

                  Hmm....... interesting idea! I'd be willing to get into it- except for laying under the car re-installing it...[xx(]

                  I could bring Molly in running condition with a donor trans. already in, redo the original per your idea, and reinstall it at a later date back home- on the lift...

                  What do you think of that?

                  P.S. to hotwheels- still waiting to hear back from you....[?]

                  Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                  Parish, central NY 13131
                  http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

                  Robert, based on your original post, it sounds like you blew up the planetary gear assembly and/or the overrunnning clutch assembly on your overdrive. These parts are quite easy to change, but it requires a complete teardown of the transmission to do it. Not that it's all that hard to do. A manual transmission, even with overdrive, is not all that complicated, as long as you limit your options to: do I keep the old, damaged part, or do I swap in a new, or apparently intact used part?

                  I'm sure that there may be people who will chime in and say, "yes, but... you have to set the end play on the syncro rings, yada, yada." Well if you have a full parts bin of all the selective-fit parts, then, yes, you can do that. But if all you have is a choice between a broken original part, and an intact replacement, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to make the call.

                  If all the parts are available, and if there were a better place to be than South Bend to find all the necessary parts, I'd like to know it, I estimate it wouldn't take more than 2 - 3 hours to tear down your old tranny and replace the busted parts. I'm thinking that the gears in the 1-2-3 part of the tranny are OK, and other than than new mainshaft bearings, nothing needs to be done there. In the OD section, I expect that the planetary gears, overrunning clutch, and balk ring would need replacement. (Based on your original post).

                  Hope this helps.

                  Let me know if you want to try and do this, because I will have to pack my snap ring pliers, and a box of miscellaneous OD and T86 parts.

                  Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands
                  Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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                  • #24
                    Sounds like a cool plan fellas! Go for it! [8D]

                    Matthew Burnette
                    '59 Scotsman
                    '63 Daytona
                    Hazlehurst, GA

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                    • #25
                      I am helping a friend clean out a barn with many parts in it and i googled a trans I have and your request came up. I seem to have what you may need. The fellow that owned all of this stuff was a huge Stuebaker guy and there is a lot of that stuff. call me or write 920-324-5932 or 8ptduck@powercom.net.
                      Dano

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                      • #26
                        quote:Originally posted by danoperd
                        The fellow that owned all of this stuff was a huge Stuebaker guy
                        Could be any number of us.

                        [)]


                        Dick Steinkamp
                        Bellingham, WA

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                        • #27
                          Sorry I thought that I was replying to Bam50 specificly. I think I have the Tranny that Robert andrews was looking for. I have a studebaker tranny with overdrive. I do not have any other info on it but I do know that there was a lot of Lark parts. If therre is any interest on this tranny please write 8ptduck@powercom.net.
                          Thanks
                          Dano

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                          • #28
                            Dano,

                            The transmission for Molly was rebuilt in South Bend and was installed in Molly 15 days ago. Pictures of the rebuild can be seen here (included with my other S.B. photos).

                            http://good-times.webshots.com/album/559572216nAgQaG

                            However, I think that Rob Young in Wyoming is looking for one. Flip on over to the Studebaker Truck Talk site (see link below) and see his post there.

                            http://www.network54.com/Forum/23885...R+trans+needed.

                            Gary


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                            • #29
                              Dano, sent you an e-mail.

                              Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                              Parish, central NY 13131
                              http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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