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  • Transmission / Overdrive: Was a DG200 tranny ever used by the factory for a 259?

    My 55K has the original 259. I had the tranny rebuilt and the tag on the tranny was DG200. It's on the road and has a first gear start. From what I can gather the DG250 was used on the v8s. Did the factory ever put a DG200 in a V8 car? or maybe the P.O. was slicing and dicing?
    Dave Warren (Perry Mason by day, Perry Como by night)

  • #2
    Yes, I have one here in stock that was pulled out of V8 stude.

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    • #3
      Thanks, Roy. That gives me some comfort.
      Dave Warren (Perry Mason by day, Perry Como by night)

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      • #4
        The DG 150 was the only one used with a 6 cylinder. The 200 and 250 were the V8 units. The DG200 with the 224 and the DG250 with the 259 I believe the "M" version indicated first gear start.
        64 GT Hawk (K7)
        1970 Avanti (R3)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 64V-K7 View Post
          The 200 and 250 were the V8 units. The DG200 with the 224 and the DG250 with the 259
          DG200 in 1950 with the Commander SIX and later 232 and 224 V-8. Ever used with the 259? Don't know but, it was certainly up to the task. Nothing wrong with that transmission.
          "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

          Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
          Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
          '33 Rockne 10,
          '51 Commander Starlight,
          '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée",
          '56 Sky Hawk

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          • #6
            Dg 200 250

            Anyone in the SE have a good trans for a '55 V8?
            Barry'd in Studes

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            • #7
              So as you can see from Bob Johnstone's answer, the answer to your question is NO! The 232 and 224 were the only V-8 using the DG200 Second Gear start Trans. If your's starts in Low, someone has played with it.
              StudeRich
              Second Generation Stude Driver,
              Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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              • #8
                I have a DG 250 automatic transmission. It came out of a running car. Let me know it you need one. I stock them all, DG150,DG 200,DG 250.

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                • #9
                  How can I tell the transmission model in my 51 Champion 6-cyl automatic?

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                  • #10
                    Check the nameplate on the left side of the case.

                    It should be a DG150. They are all Detroit Gear Div. of Borg Warner, 3 band Studebaker Automatic Drive units used from 1950 to 1955

                    They are entirely different than a real "Borg Warner" cast iron case, Flight-O-Matic (1956-1966), or a Ford-O-Matic, Flash-O-Matic, Merc-O-Matic etc.
                    Last edited by StudeRich; 08-14-2010, 08:53 AM.
                    StudeRich
                    Second Generation Stude Driver,
                    Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                    • #11
                      M supposedly stands for first gear start. There were 150/150M, 200/200M, and 250M. I have never been in a Studebaker with Automatic Drive 1950-1954 6 and Commander 6/V8 so I don't know if the small 6 engines 50-54 had first gear start or not. I assume the Commander/V8 50-54 were all second gear start. From the 55-58 Chassis Part Catalog page 277, The 150 was used behind the 6, and in 1955 only, and partway into production, it became a 150M. The 200 was used behind 224 V8 (and Commander 6 and 232 in prior years, I would think) before a certain serial number in 1955, then it became a 200M behind the 224. The 200M was also still later on in production used behind the 185 6--so a 185 six in 1955 could have had a 150, 150M, or a 200M, depending on the production date. The 250M (no 250 model made) was used exclusively behind the 259.

                      HOWEVER, from perusing the serial numbers and running production changes, I am willing to bet that the changes 150>150M>200M for small engines, and 200>200M>((250M)) for V8s were based on using up existing transmissions before 'upgrading'. Some cars would have had 2nd gear start, and later ones 1st gear start. I am sure in my own mind that there were a 'few' 200M units left over when the 259 became available, and this is why there have been a few 259 seen with first gear start 200M transmissions. Another possibility is with hypothetical teething problems with early production 250M, a 200M was put in as a replacement, because it had already been upgraded to go behind a V8, and there might have been better replacement availability of 200M than 250M units. Another question to ask--which might tend to support my supposition--were all the 259 w/200M lower powered 2 barrels? (and for the 259 4 bbl, they waited for a 250M as the stoutest version?)

                      So Warrlaw1 might just have a legitimate DG200M (not a DG200) first gear start behind his 259. Of course, unless you have checked the engine number, that could be a 224 instead of a 259 <g> which would also be legitimate. How can you tell from the outside if it is a 224 or a 259 other than by the engine serial number? Perhaps the car serial number/production date can shed some light.

                      First gear start was only available on all DG transmissions in 1955, only. A few of the first Flightomatics in 1956 had first gear start, but because of different ratios and such, it was felt to be too harsh a shift except behind a 6, so they were quickly made 2nd gear start for V8, and a kit to convert to 2nd gear start and a letter went out. See the service manuals. Only V8 trucks had first gear start after that.
                      Last edited by Jim B PEI; 08-14-2010, 10:22 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks, Jim. I have the production order. Delivery date 6-2-55, two barrel, single exhaust. Engine # V354191. Every other part on the car checked out. The engine and torque converter both went boom at the same time at 77,000 miles. I just put the first 100 miles on since rebuild. First gear start. I think it's factory
                        Dave Warren (Perry Mason by day, Perry Como by night)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by warrlaw1 View Post
                          Thanks, Jim. I have the production order. Delivery date 6-2-55, two barrel, single exhaust. Engine # V354191. Every other part on the car checked out. The engine and torque converter both went boom at the same time at 77,000 miles. I just put the first 100 miles on since rebuild. First gear start. I think it's factory
                          That engine is a late 1955 Commander engine, after the Commander went to a 259 V8.
                          Gary L.
                          Wappinger, NY

                          SDC member since 1968
                          Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                          • #14
                            That's right, Gary. It's a 259. Production order just says AUTO. I haven't had a chance to check the tranny again to see if it's an M. (DG200M) Car serial #8420108. 16G8-K5 CUB. Colour 2580 BLACK. Tires WSW Climatizer, directional Signals, Wheel Discs, Body # 2590 shipped to 5 Springfield, Ohio.
                            Last edited by warrlaw1; 08-16-2010, 04:31 PM.
                            Dave Warren (Perry Mason by day, Perry Como by night)

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                            • #15
                              Figured it out after a lot of digging. It's a DG-200, but serial number starting with HA- instead of SC- and the date plate on the extension tail of 11/17/53 turned out to mean it is a DG-200 originally built for a 54 Hudson of all things.

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