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232 performance cam question/idea.

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  • 232 performance cam question/idea.

    Hey guys,

    Me and my dad might be getting another stude (Mom says we have to get the house painted, and a fence built first, fun fun! LOL!) It's a 52 Commander 4 door, with a automatic; and comes with a '51 front clip. (I REALLY like that last part! I want to make it look like a '50 up front when I'm done.)

    Anyways, has anyone ever put a R1 cam in a 232? Or something along the same lines? I haven't seen alot of 232 performance stuff, so just wondering. I'm curious about how it would do with a Stu-V manafold, R1 cam, and later 259-289 heads. What are your guys's thoughts?
    Dylan Wills
    Everett, Wa.


    1961 Lark 4 door wagon
    1961 Lark 4 door wagon #2 (Wife's car!)
    1955 VW Beetle (Went to the dark side)
    1914 Ford Model T

  • #2
    You'll want to put on a pair of 259 heads, the valves in the 232 heads are just barely adequate to run, nevermind perform.

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    • #3
      I figured so. All you have to do to match those on is match the pushrods isn't it? I know I heard it somewhere, but I can't quite remember.
      Dylan Wills
      Everett, Wa.


      1961 Lark 4 door wagon
      1961 Lark 4 door wagon #2 (Wife's car!)
      1955 VW Beetle (Went to the dark side)
      1914 Ford Model T

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      • #4
        A correct intake manifold will also be required....larger ports to match the heads...

        Mike

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        • #5
          On my 51 I went with later heads, exhaust manifolds, but retained the stock intake. I also added dual exhaust. It made a very noticable differnce.
          1962 Champ

          51 Commander 4 door

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          • #6
            Please do not do this. The 232 was famous for eating cams, brand new stock ones. The later engines had a much lighter valve train, and is much better on modified cams. For about the same money, you can just get a 289 and rebuild it. This way, you can continue to drive the car while you get the rebuilt engine ready for it. If I can't dissuade you from your plan, you will need the 259 heads with some valve work, new push rods from a 259, and the 259 exhaust manifolds. If you do not intend to turbo or supercharge the engine, you won't gain much from the Avanti cam, other than a great sound at idle.

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            • #7
              Ok, thanks guys!

              On the cam eating though; I was led to believe that was because of the original stock cams being to "soft" for the application, right? So wouldn't a new reproduction be ok?

              Thanks again!
              Dylan Wills
              Everett, Wa.


              1961 Lark 4 door wagon
              1961 Lark 4 door wagon #2 (Wife's car!)
              1955 VW Beetle (Went to the dark side)
              1914 Ford Model T

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              • #8
                Really... rather than go through all this trouble, just pull the engine out, pop either a good 259 or 289 in there and sell the 232 to someone who needs an original 232. If you are worried about too many busy bodies seeing what you have done, just shorten the hood prop rod a few inches so that it discourages too close an examination when the hood is up. Probably 90 percent of those looking will never notice.
                John Clary
                Greer, SC

                SDC member since 1975

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                • #9
                  I've heard the newer heads needed modification to fit on the 232,anybody have some input on this?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jclary View Post
                    Really... rather than go through all this trouble, just pull the engine out, pop either a good 259 or 289 in there and sell the 232 to someone who needs an original 232. If you are worried about too many busy bodies seeing what you have done, just shorten the hood prop rod a few inches so that it discourages too close an examination when the hood is up. Probably 90 percent of those looking will never notice.
                    I know what is easier, but the challenge of the 232 is pretty great. I want something different, more so than any belly button Stude V8! LOL!!
                    Dylan Wills
                    Everett, Wa.


                    1961 Lark 4 door wagon
                    1961 Lark 4 door wagon #2 (Wife's car!)
                    1955 VW Beetle (Went to the dark side)
                    1914 Ford Model T

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                    • #11
                      The R1 cam should work fine in your engine, I have a feeling and I may be wrong, that the later 259-289 heads have larger combustion chambers which would lower your compression ratio. They also have larger intake and exhaust ports necessitating the use of the later intake and exhaust manifolds, larger ehxaust pipes and a larger carb to gain any benefit from the later heads. Bud

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                      • #12
                        I think they will lower it too, but I could always bring it back up. I've "thought" about blowing it too, since we got a forlorn turbocharger off a 2.2 liter Plymouth Caravel (Still wish my dad didn't sell that, it could GO!).

                        Naw, I shouldn't, but it would be really cool!
                        Dylan Wills
                        Everett, Wa.


                        1961 Lark 4 door wagon
                        1961 Lark 4 door wagon #2 (Wife's car!)
                        1955 VW Beetle (Went to the dark side)
                        1914 Ford Model T

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                        • #13
                          Really, the person you should ask your cam questions to is Ted Harbit. At one time he held all the records in his class with a 232, so they closed off his class because nobody could beat him. The softer steel in the cam was only part of the problem, and the arsenic-nitride treated cams were an easy fix. When they redesigned the engine for the 1955 year, they modified the lifter train to lighten it up. That finally solved the problem. The Avanti cam is made to open the valve sooner, hold it higher for a longer time, and close it quicker. Not what you want in a 232.
                          As to the 259 heads, you can use them without any modification, as long as you also use the exhaust manifolds for the 259. You would also do well to change out the intake manifold, but that really isn't necessary. I speak from experience, I have done something very similar to my 51 Commander.

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                          • #14
                            Doh! I forgot about that!

                            I'm not down talking you, I'm just asking questions, it's the way I learn. I've never had the chance to play with a 232, so I'd like to do it myself.
                            Dylan Wills
                            Everett, Wa.


                            1961 Lark 4 door wagon
                            1961 Lark 4 door wagon #2 (Wife's car!)
                            1955 VW Beetle (Went to the dark side)
                            1914 Ford Model T

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                            • #15
                              I know what is easier, but the challenge of the 232 is pretty great. I want something different, more so than any belly button Stude V8! LOL!!
                              The 232" is literally the least desirable of all the Stude V8s. Small bore, small valves, small ports.

                              Bottom line, no one will really know block you've got in your Stude. If you want to do it the hard way, go for it. If you want the most performance for your dollar, take the advice.

                              jack vines
                              PackardV8

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