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    could someone tell me if a automatic transmission from a 63 hawk fit into a 55 commander automatic 2dr coupe with the 224 motor. thanks

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    quote:Originally posted by clayton63hawk

    could someone tell me if a automatic transmission from a 63 hawk fit into a 55 commander automatic 2dr coupe with the 224 motor. thanks
    I am ASSUMING it will, but I just dont know for sure. Auto to auto
    so the bolt length should be fine....

    Tom

    1963 Studebaker Avanti, 102,000, custom made brake brackets to mount 1998 Mustang GT 4 wheel disc brakes (soon to get 13" Cobra front brakes, 2003 Mustang Cobra 17" wheels, GM altenator, will be getting : 97 Camaro Z28 tan leather seats, 97 Camaro Z28 T-56 6-speed trans, Ported 'R3' style Avanti heads with stainless full flow valves, 'R3' 276 duration cam w/chrysler solid lifters, shortened push rods, aluminum cam gear, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires, waiting in the garage.
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    • #3
      quote:Originally posted by clayton63hawk

      could someone tell me if a automatic transmission from a 63 hawk fit into a 55 commander automatic 2dr coupe with the 224 motor. thanks
      Bolt-in replacement? In a word, no. The '55 is a short-tail transmission with a yoke on the back, designed to mate up with the 2-piece driveshaft as used up to '57. The '63 has a long tailshaft, designed to accept the slip yoke on the front of a one-piece driveshaft. Also, the rubber mounts differ considerably between the two trannies, and I expect the cross-members differ as well. And there is likely some difference in the shift and TV linkage, too.

      Could you make it work? Yes, providing you change the driveshaft, tranny cross-member, and use the later-model linkage. Might have to massage the floor a little to accept the one-piece driveshaft.

      Remember, they are 2 completely different transmissions.

      I have a complete power train from a '55 President for sale if you need a tranny, but please don't think I'm trying to discourage you from doing the swap simply because I have a tranny for sale.

      Really, the '55 tranny is the better of the two, and it is an actual Studebaker design. The later Flightomatic, while a sturdy beast, is essentially a generic Warner Gear tranny similar to those used in some Fords and Ramblers.

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      • #4
        N8's 55 has a late Hawk 289 with a Flite-0-Matic installed with a one piece drive shaft, he can help.

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        • #5
          yup, it is pretty much a bolt in, EXCEPT...

          1) you will need to convert the car to 12V as the ring gear on the FOM torque converter only mates with a 12V starter. Alternately Jim Turner can tell you exactly how to modify a 6V starter to accept a 12V Bendix.

          2) You have to cut the driveshaft support crossmember out and use a one piece driveshaft from a Hawk with FOM. Alternately you could use a '56 or '57 FOM with corresponding driveshaft.

          3) You will probably have a clearance problem with the passenger side exhaust. I replaced the headpipe and main exhaust pipe on the pass. side with one from a later Hawk to clear the dipstick tube for the FOM.

          4) You will need a one piece shift rod for the FOM, unfortunately for some reason a Hawk one is too short, I took a LArk one, straightened it, and rebent it to match the Hawk one, it gave me the extra length I needed. I guess the diff. is in the early steering column.

          5) Not sure, but you may need a bellcrank from a Hawk with FOM to properly match up the throttle pressure linkage. One from a Lark will not work, unless you mangle the floor for clearance of the gas pedal rod.

          6) if you cut out the center crossmember you will need to make a new mounting point for the parking brake return spring. This is a very important part; without it, your parking brake can stick applied and this is obviously bad. (BTDT)

          7) My car had a vibration issue from the driveshaft until I got some pinion angle shims. Then when I replaced all the motor mounts the vibration came back and I took the shims out. I did use the R3 style front mounts, maybe that changed the angle of the tailshaft enough that it corrected for whatever misalignment there was.

          Personally, I'd have the DG rebuilt, but that's just me. The dealbreaker for me is cutting the crossmember; I don't have the intestinal fortitude to do that to a nice car. The rest of the mods are all bolt ons pretty much and therefore reversible. Fortunately someone already cut the crossmember out of my car so I don't feel bad cutting it up more for a 4-speed.

          good luck,

          nate

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          • #6
            Thanks to everyone who replied. My father has the 55 and I have the 63. When I bought the 63 I picked up a parts car. It still had the complete drive train and to my surprise, when I got it home there was another tranny in the trunk. My parents live in Florida about an hour and a half south of Gainsville and forty minutes west of St. Augustine. I've driven the car and the tranny seems to shift fine but the seals leak. My father took it to Amico transmission and they told him it would be $950 to do the seals and $1700 to do a rebuild if it needed it. Do these prices seem right or does anyone know someone in that area who could help them out at a fair price. Thanks again.

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            • #7
              The prices are way out. 2-3 times what they should be.

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              • #8
                I think Alan misunderstands you. Those prices actually sound a bit cheap for the overhaul of the Studebaker automatic. Frankly, I doubt an Aamco transmission place COULD overhaul one of these as so VERY FEW modern-day tranny techs have ever even SEEN one, let alone been into one.
                Usually, these chain tranny shops won't even consider doing an old unit like this because they worry about warranty promises over something they consider obsolete![xx(]

                There's a couple of shops in California that will take on one of the Studebaker Automatics (not the FOMs) and I've heard $2500 is about the going rate and that doesn't include removal or reinstallation either![:0]

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                • #9
                  I don't see why you couldn't do a seal job yourself, assuming you're capable of R&Ring the trans. Does it give any indication that it needs any other work?

                  nate

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                  • #10
                    quote:Originally posted by clayton63hawk
                    I've driven the car and the tranny seems to shift fine but the seals leak.
                    Jack the car up, and torque the pan to the specified torque, cross
                    tightening from side to side front to rear until you do all the bolts.
                    Add one can of "TransX" from your local auto parts store. Drive the
                    car around for about 5 to 10 miles. Leaks should be gone. Its the
                    best 10 bucks you can spend IF it solves the problem. I have a 78
                    Camaro with a TH350 trans which was leaking fluid so bad that my wifes
                    father had to drain the drip pan weekly (it wasnt even DRIVEN!). The
                    reason it WASNT driven is because it slipped so bad. A friend had
                    suggested the TransX. I was skepitcal! I did the above, and my wife
                    drove the car Northridge to North Santa Barbara County - 150 miles!
                    She said by the time she got to the freeway it was shifting "normal".
                    Its been over 3 years since we brought it home, still doesnt leak,
                    and it still is drivable when needed. Has 150,000 on it. Go figure.

                    Tom
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                    • #11
                      It's not that I didn't understand Mr. Biggs. It is just that I have been doing my own work for so long and have a transmission parts shoop that I have been doing business with for years that I bought seals for my 63 Flight-o for $35 and put them in myself in a weekend the job sounded expensive but I just went by an AAMCO and saw that they charge $64 an hour for shop labor and it gave me what felt like a alum enema.

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                      • #12
                        Alan, I agree with you that labor is out of sight anymore. I know I can still get a Flight-o-matic overhauled for about 4 to 500 bucks out this way. That's if I do the removal and reinstallation.

                        As Nate says - you could probably "reseal" one of these DGs by yourself - IF - you were willing to tackle it and all that goes with such a job. People think that "seals" involve all kinds of such INSIDE a tranny, but "seals" (to a tranny guy) mean the front & rear lip seals, maybe the shift lever O-rings and a pan gasket. That anyone CAN do if their willing to wrestle that beast out of the car and do themselves.[xx(]

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                        1960 Larkvertible V8
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                        • #13
                          quote:My parents live in Florida about an hour and a half south of Gainsville and forty minutes west of St. Augustine.
                          Were you at the Zome Meet in Gainesville a couple of weeks ago?

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                          • #14
                            Oh .. I forgot to mention that those quotes seem about right, I am
                            dealing right now with my wifes 95 Camaro Z28 not wanting to shift to
                            3rd gear. It doesnt slip, it wont SHIFT. The trans was rebuilt two
                            years ago and has 39k on it. The shops answer? Rebuild it. I asked
                            what was wrong with it, they dont know, but a rebuild will fix it. I
                            had it towed home. They wanted 1400 bucks JUST to start a rebuild.
                            I payed almost 2000 for the last one. I figure I can do it myself &
                            screw it up, and have it last 39k, so why pay someone else to do that?

                            Tom
                            '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
                            Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
                            http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
                            I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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                            • #15
                              Yall need to git ya werk dun in mississippi.ya can git a 350 turbo rebuilt here fo 450 bucks n they do tha removal n will even put it back in n road tests it fer ya.lol little redneck humor there. Really theres a buddy of mine that has a tranny shop that what he charges to do a 350 /400 turbo , most standard fords just $500 because there parts are more costly.Hes been doing trans work since the early 60s. My dad used him when i was in high school and he has two sons that help him now.now theres a guy in our car club that has a chain tranny business n they charge $1,750 to do the same thing and only has a 6 month guarantee.If its only the front and rear seals get a buddy n a trans jack n you can do them on a saturday .

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