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  • #16
    I have designed my own system, basically because neither Turner or the
    Steeltech setups are "modern" anymore. I had decided to buy the one
    that Steeltech makes, solely because I dont care for the spacer that
    Turner uses on the spindle. The downside of the Steeltech is the
    ultra rare rotors, actually so are the Turner rotors. Steeltech fits
    with no modifications though. Turner requires modifying the caliper
    and the brake pads. I am refering to the BIG brakes from Steeltech,
    I think their smaller one uses the same Ford rotor as the Turner.

    There are no easy swaps, they all will cost money, I just felt if your
    going to swap to something else, why not use parts that you can buy
    off the shelf at Autozone?

    Steeltech rotor = 175 a piece (special order)
    Turner rotor = 100 a piece (special order)
    94-04 GT Mustang (one I used) = 25 a piece (in stock at Autozone)

    Of course I will be swapping that for the 13 inch zinc plated, drilled
    and slotted Cobra rotor soon, and the caliper to the 2 piston alum.
    (Even the Cobra rotor is only $60 special order at Autozone)

    Now [u]THATS</u> a MODERN disc brake.

    Tom


    1963 Studebaker Avanti, 102,000, custom made brake brackets to mount 1998 Mustang GT 4 wheel disc brakes (soon to get 13" Cobra front brakes, 2003 Mustang Cobra 17" wheels, GM altenator, will be getting : 97 Camaro Z28 tan leather seats, 97 Camaro Z28 T-56 6-speed trans, Ported 'R3' style Avanti heads with stainless full flow valves, 'R3' 276 duration cam w/chrysler solid lifters, shortened push rods, aluminum cam gear, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires, waiting in the garage.
    '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
    Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
    http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
    I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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    • #17
      That's very nice Tom. I'm happy for you and laud your efforts. Now what's the price of your kits and how many folks can you call up for testimonials as to the ease of installation and their performance over the long term?

      Gordr wrote: " Brian, I might just do that. I just brought home a '64 Daytona hardtop that I am pretty sure was originally a disc brake car, since it still has the disc brake booster and m/c in it. I think it was used as a donor to put disc brakes in a Hawk."

      Gordon, have you looked to see if the rear brakes are 11" or did those go to your projected Hawk upgrade too?[?]


      Miscreant at large.

      1957 Transtar 1/2ton
      1960 Larkvertible V8
      1958 Provincial wagon
      1953 Commander coupe
      1957 President 2-dr
      1955 President State
      1951 Champion Biz cpe
      1963 Daytona project FS
      No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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      • #18
        Mr. Biggs~
        That's kinda what I've been wondering...
        And have been wondering ever since Tom started posting about those fancy brakes! Still waiting, too! As I drive a Stude everyday my ride might be a good one to try 'em out on, so I think!
        Tom?


        [8D]

        StudeDave
        San Diego, Ca


        '54 Commander 4dr
        '57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...)
        '57 Commander 2dr
        '57 Champion 2dr
        '58 Packard sedan
        '65 Cruiser
        StudeDave '57
        US Navy (retired)

        3rd Generation Stude owner/driver
        SDC Member since 1985

        past President
        Whatcom County Chapter SDC
        San Diego Chapter SDC

        past Vice President
        San Diego Chapter SDC
        North Florida Chapter SDC

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        • #19
          quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

          That's very nice Tom. I'm happy for you and laud your efforts. Now what's the price of your kits and how many folks can you call up for testimonials as to the ease of installation and their performance over the long term?

          Gordr wrote: " Brian, I might just do that. I just brought home a '64 Daytona hardtop that I am pretty sure was originally a disc brake car, since it still has the disc brake booster and m/c in it. I think it was used as a donor to put disc brakes in a Hawk."

          Gordon, have you looked to see if the rear brakes are 11" or did those go to your projected Hawk upgrade too?[?]


          Miscreant at large.

          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
          1960 Larkvertible V8
          1958 Provincial wagon
          1953 Commander coupe
          1957 President 2-dr
          1955 President State
          1951 Champion Biz cpe
          1963 Daytona project FS
          I have been working on them. The rear brakes are in fact 10" drum brakes, and there were NO rear parking brake cables at all, but the hardware was all there inside. Rear axle is a 3.31 open diff model 44. I'm pretty well certain that this WAS a disc brake car that gave up its power train and brakes for another car; probably a Hawk, as that would explain the master cylinder NOT being gone. All wheel cylinder were lightly seized. I've honed and reassembled all four, and am on the point of reassembling the right rear brake assembly. I had a rear park brake cable in the barn, so I have that installed to the left rear brake, and the right side awaits. I should have "driveway" brakes at least by tomorrow.

          One of the local chapter members has a pair of doors, and maybe a set of mag wheels as well.

          Tomorrow I will hopefully complete the brake job, and then go over the entire car with the pressure washer.

          Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands
          Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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          • #20
            quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

            That's very nice Tom. I'm happy for you and laud your efforts. Now what's the price of your kits and how many folks can you call up for testimonials as to the ease of installation and their performance over the long term?
            quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57
            and have been wondering ever since Tom started posting about those fancy brakes! Still waiting, too!
            Its interesting to me that you are still waiting to find out the cost
            of the brake setup, since I posted up the estimated cost of "my kit"
            on 03/12/2006 - over a month ago. The cost would be less then the
            Turner setup, the main benefit being that the stock Stude hub is kept,
            the downside being that the outer diameter needs to be turned down.
            Since its also based off the new style disc brakes, the rims need to
            be updated to newer Crown Victoria rims (to clear the larger caliper).
            I dont have the facilities to market a "kit". I am attempting to get
            a few brackets made, but I only have one SERIOUS party, and a BUNCH
            of "lookieloos". Since I cant afford to make a bunch of brackets and
            not have guarenteed sales, its on hold for the time being. As far as
            ease of installation, its easy, you bolt on the bracket, put the hub
            on the spindle, and bolt on the caliper. No spacer to heat up to red
            hot with a torch. Long term? Its brakes used on Fords from 94-04,
            I havent read anything bad about them myself .... the GT setup also
            can use a 2 piston 03/04 GT caliper. I took the time to put together
            a nice tech article, and then did a cost analysis, but I got 20 or so
            replies & most of those were about how the Turner setup is just fine.

            http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com...?TOPIC_ID=3191

            Unfortunately, since my wifes transmission just took a dump after 39k
            on the rebuild, I cant even THINK about spending possible repair cash
            on making brackets for people who "might" be interested. Once I get
            my tax refund, and find out what is going on with that trans, I will
            breathe a little easier.

            quote:Originally posted by Dan White
            I have not felt the need for a dual MC.
            I "felt" the need for a dual master cylinder when my brakes on the 60
            Hawk failed coming off the freeway at 75 mph. I was able to slow the
            car down with the trans by downshifting, but ended up taking a sign
            out in a parking lot before I could get it stopped. I changed the 63
            Avanti to a dual M/C the same week. Their wasnt a kit available at
            the time for the Hawks, so it never got one before it got totalled in
            a different accident. The cause of the brake failure was a defect in a
            rebuilt rear wheel cylinder rubber cup it had a small air bubble.

            Tom
            '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
            Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
            http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
            I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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            • #21
              Well then, Tom - you need to develop your "system", have several knowledgeable (and several not-so-knowlegdeable) Stude sorts install and drive your design. NOTHING brings out the bugs like letting others work with your baby.
              Ya see - as many pluses as your approach may have, there's not many amongst us (myself included) that have the skills to work up the braketry you've devised. (Actually, i think I MIGHT be able to produce some in crude but useable form. But I'd rather go with "proven" stuff than bother)

              I'm not here to push Turner's brakes over any others. But I can say that I've had his front disc brakes on my truck since '96 and I'm well pleased with the service they give. This along with using the dare-devil, single circuit master cylinder without any boost, to actuate them.

              Miscreant at large.

              1957 Transtar 1/2ton
              1960 Larkvertible V8
              1958 Provincial wagon
              1953 Commander coupe
              1957 President 2-dr
              1955 President State
              1951 Champion Biz cpe
              1963 Daytona project FS
              No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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              • #22
                quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

                Well then, Tom - you need to develop your "system", have several knowledgeable (and several not-so-knowlegdeable) Stude sorts install and drive your design. NOTHING brings out the bugs like letting others work with your baby.
                Agreed, but there in lies the problem, its a dog chasing his tail, I
                dont have the money right now to make the product, and I have only
                one person 'brave?" enough to front the money ahead to have them made.
                I also NEED to purchase the Cobra setup, so I can prove the other end
                of the spectrum. Actually, the only thing that needs to be "proven"
                is that the Cobra rotor fits over the Stude hub without mod, I have an
                extra unmodified set to test this. Thats the key, since I think that
                most people that would want this vast improvement, will be looking to
                go the whole nine yards, and do the 2 piston/13 inch rotor.

                quote:Ya see - as many pluses as your approach may have, there's not many amongst us (myself included) that have the skills to work up the braketry you've devised.
                This is true, the hose bracket is simple, but the caliper bracket is
                a bit more involved, now it could be simplified/cheapened by using
                steel, and going thinner, then dropping the grease catch like Turners
                and Steeltech. Most the aftermarket setups I have seen dont bother
                with this little feature, which is nice for production cars that will
                see many miles. I have considered this route also.[B)]

                Tom
                '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
                Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
                http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
                I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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                • #23
                  quote:Its interesting to me that you are still waiting to find out the cost of the brake setup, since I posted up the estimated cost of "my kit" on 03/12/2006 - over a month ago.
                  I'm sorry I missed the 'estimated cost' I've been watching the post in which I asked the question... maybe if there was only ONE post about your setup I wouldn't have missed it, eh? At least I wasn't the only one~ No Worries! I'm still interested, but I just bought a '58 Packard, and have to get it further along before I go and tear up one of the drivers. Guess I gotta be just a lookieloo for awhile, sorry.

                  [8D]


                  StudeDave
                  San Diego, Ca


                  '54 Commander 4dr
                  '57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...)
                  '57 Commander 2dr
                  '57 Champion 2dr
                  '58 Packard sedan
                  '65 Cruiser
                  StudeDave '57
                  US Navy (retired)

                  3rd Generation Stude owner/driver
                  SDC Member since 1985

                  past President
                  Whatcom County Chapter SDC
                  San Diego Chapter SDC

                  past Vice President
                  San Diego Chapter SDC
                  North Florida Chapter SDC

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                  • #24
                    quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57
                    I'm still interested, but I just bought a '58 Packard, and have to get it further along before I go and tear up one of the drivers. Guess I gotta be just a lookieloo for awhile, sorry
                    No worries .. the project is back burner until I can figure out what
                    I need to do on the wifes car. Leaning toward towing it home and in
                    the garage dropping the pan and valve body and having a look. I need
                    to order a 4L60 rebuild/diagnosis book. Anyone happen to be a master
                    4L60 transmission tech in here?[]

                    Tom
                    '63 Avanti R1, '03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves.
                    Check out my disc brake adapters to install 1994-2004 Mustang disc brakes on your Studebaker!!
                    http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...bracket-update
                    I have also written many TECH how to articles, do a search for my Forum name to find them

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