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  • Rear Door Window Removal

    I am having trouble getting the window glass out of my 1940 Commander rear door. The shop manual basically says remove garnish molding, remove trim panel, disconnect regulator arm, REMOVE GLASS.
    Well I did all of the above. I can move the window up and down in the track but it is not loose enough to turn sideways at any point. The door actually gets smaller at the bottom so I assume the glass comes out through the top?? Do I have to remove the window run along with the glass to get it out?? The manual sure is vague.

    28 dictator
    40 commander

  • #2
    Never been into a 40 Commander before, but if you don't remove (or loosen) one of the runs, there's no way the glass is gonna get out.
    You'll have to remove the "cat whisker" pieces too, unless they're stapled to what you call a "garnish moulding". I suspect that's the "frame" around the window opening that's on the INside of the door, no?[:I]

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    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
    1960 Larkvertible V8
    1958 Provincial wagon
    1953 Commander coupe
    1957 President 2-dr
    1955 President State
    1951 Champion Biz cpe
    1963 Daytona project FS
    No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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    • #3
      The run is one continuous piece that goes up one side and down the other. It is held in with two clips inside the door near the bottom of the run. I have loosened all of these. The best I get is the run can be pushed up and down with the glass now. There isn't enough play to lean the window and run out and clear the door. I know there must be a technique for this?? Any other ideas??

      28 dictator
      40 commander
      28 dictator
      40 commander

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      • #4
        Is there not enough room for the glass to completely slide out of the runs at the bottom? I assume you have the glass channel disconnected from the window regulator, no?

        If the glass would go down far enough, could you extract the run and then extract the glass?

        If the glass can be lowered beyond the lower ends of the run, then turning it 90 degrees would allow it to come up thru the top.
        While the drawings are pretty vague, I have a parts manual that covers your car as well as many other Studebakers.
        Looking at the diagram of the 40 Comm rear window - are you sure you can't rotated the glass's rear edge downward while it's in the run (and disconnected from the regulator, of course)?

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        1957 Transtar 1/2ton
        1960 Larkvertible V8
        1958 Provincial wagon
        1953 Commander coupe
        1957 President 2-dr
        1955 President State
        1951 Champion Biz cpe
        1963 Daytona project FS
        No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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        • #5
          I get what you are talking about but the window is symetical (almost a perfect rectangle. Because of a cut out for the rear wheel well the door is tringular shaped. The window hits the bottom of the door in the rear without coming out of the channels. I will check in the daylight again and see if there is any way to wiggle it to turn side ways but the whole thing is so darn tight..... The window is disconnected from the regulator by the way.

          28 dictator
          40 commander
          28 dictator
          40 commander

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          • #6
            Find a friendly (independant) AUTO GLASS shop that has an actual shop location (not one with just an 800 number in the phonebook). The internal operational guts of door windows are not really different from new to old. If the shop is REAL helpful, they'll tell you how to do it. If not, they'll charge you something to do it, but it'll be done. Of course, if you can bring the car with you, all the better.
            KURTRUK
            (read it backwards)




            Nothing is politically right which is morally wrong. -A. Lincoln

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            • #7
              kurtuck,

              Have you done such lately? Most the shops I encounter are helpless when it comes to older cars.[xx(]

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              1957 Transtar 1/2ton
              1960 Larkvertible V8
              1958 Provincial wagon
              1953 Commander coupe
              1957 President 2-dr
              1955 President State
              1951 Champion Biz cpe
              1963 Daytona project FS
              No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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              • #8
                Like I said before Bob, it pays to have friends in the right places.. But again, they are used to working inside cramped door innards. Today's doors are so thin with lots of extra "safety" stuff stuffed in there as well (Styrofoam,[:0] airbags, etc). Regulators and run channels are all still in use. You just have to find a willing soul.

                Not having the applicable parts book, I would guess the "retainer" that the rubber/cloth/felts go in must unbolt somewhere at the bottom.
                That would allow you to increase the span. free the glass and then tilt?

                Kurtruk
                KURTRUK
                (read it backwards)




                Nothing is politically right which is morally wrong. -A. Lincoln

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                • #9
                  Gotcha Kurt. Honestly - I forgot who I was talking to![xx(] Alzdumbers is settin' in.[V]

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                  1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                  1960 Larkvertible V8
                  1958 Provincial wagon
                  1953 Commander coupe
                  1957 President 2-dr
                  1955 President State
                  1951 Champion Biz cpe
                  1963 Daytona project FS
                  No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                  • #10
                    I have found no one yet who can figure the window out. The bottom of the run is held in with two clips. I have removed these as I said before but the run sits in a metal u channel so it can't slip sideways in the door. I manged to get one window out by pulling the run up and out with the window still in place. Then with the extra free play I could tip the window endwise and get it out. However I will certainly ruin a new run if I have to put the glass in the door first then bend the new run and stuff it down both sides of the window. It took all the force I could muster to pull the old stuff out around the window.

                    28 dictator
                    40 commander
                    28 dictator
                    40 commander

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                    • #11
                      As Kurt hinted earlier - is not at least one of those brackets that the "run" sits in, held to the inner panel of the door with some screws? Are those metal channels welded in place? It would be odd if that were the case.[B)]

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                      1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                      1960 Larkvertible V8
                      1958 Provincial wagon
                      1953 Commander coupe
                      1957 President 2-dr
                      1955 President State
                      1951 Champion Biz cpe
                      1963 Daytona project FS
                      No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                      • #12
                        The metal u channels are entirely spot welded in place. There are no screws that hold the runs in in this era car (Check the parts book if you don't believe me!) The runs are held in with clips similar to molding clips. One at the bottom on each side of the continuous run. These have an open clamp face that goes around the run and a spring tab that pushes through a hole in the metal u channel the window run sits in inside the lower door.

                        28 dictator
                        40 commander
                        28 dictator
                        40 commander

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                        • #13
                          I know the sort of "clips" you're talking about. Stude used them almost until the end (maybe TO the end - I can't remember) My 58 wagon uses them.

                          I don't know what else to tell you. I just thought of a fella who has several late 30 - early 40s Commanders he's restored. If I can find his E-mail address I'll share it with you.[:I] Anybody got George Rhorbach's E-mail addy???

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                          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                          1960 Larkvertible V8
                          1958 Provincial wagon
                          1953 Commander coupe
                          1957 President 2-dr
                          1955 President State
                          1951 Champion Biz cpe
                          1963 Daytona project FS
                          No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                          • #14
                            Hi there studeboy. Somehow I just got blasted off of here and lost my message. Will try again. Are you still having problems with your rear window? Anyways, have just had all 4 windows on my 51 Champion out and replaced with new ones. Doesn't sound much different than mine. It is a learning excercise, believe me. But once you've got the technique it goes pretty good. First, do you have a manual for your car and if so, does it not give instructions on the removal/replacement of door windows? Do you have window anti-rattle? You say you have the window channel disengaged from the regulator? Does that mean you have the clips off, or actually have the regulator pulled out and free of the window channel? Before I get into a big song and dance, let me know where you're at and I'll try and give you a hand. I'll check the forum tomorrow night for your response.

                            Dave D.
                            Dave D.
                            '51 "Bulletnose" Champion
                            '59 "Silver Hawk" V8

                            Smithers, B.C. "Where a Stude in hand is worth two in the bush"

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                            • #15
                              I initially read your post very quickly and obviously not carefully enough. Everything is a little more clear now that I have re-read the post and the threads from Mr. Biggs in particular. Sorry about that. I will look in the access window of my rear door tomorrow and try to refresh my failing memory as to how everything works. Let me know if you still need the help.

                              Dave D.
                              Dave D.
                              '51 "Bulletnose" Champion
                              '59 "Silver Hawk" V8

                              Smithers, B.C. "Where a Stude in hand is worth two in the bush"

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