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    does anyone know where i could get a piece of phenolic about an inch thick? i would like to make my own carb spacer and don't know where to start to get a raw piece.

    notsoslow64
    1964 lark daytona
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  • #2
    this is gonna sound stupid, but it should work - what about a nice, dense hardwood? wood is a very good insulator, easy to work, and believe it or not you can actually get pre-made wood spacers from Summit, Jeg's et. al. now as people are starting to rediscover this.

    Now what you should finish it with, I can't help you - I'd imagine that a regular shellac would be dissolved by fuel fairly quickly.

    nate

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    • #3
      Benny, I haven't seen phenolic like that since I left the aviation industry! I'd try a plastics supply house.

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      • #4
        Biggs,
        yeh, thats what got me to thinking. we don't use it on ch53's, but the ch46 guys use it all the time. but the thickest stuff they use is 1/4 inch. i guess i could put 3 or 4 pieces together but what would i bound them with? i know i could easily get one from summit, jegs etc, but i think it would be funner and self rewarding to make my own.

        notsoslow64
        1964 lark daytona
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        • #5

          Several places already make these..
          I saw a cute green one at South Bend last year, but he wanted $55 for it...
          Edelbrock makes one:
          p/n#8711 $30'ish
          Trans-Dapt makes a couple that would work..
          http://tinyurl.com/dvegy





          quote:Originally posted by benny_64

          does anyone know where i could get a piece of phenolic about an inch thick? i would like to make my own carb spacer and don't know where to start to get a raw piece.

          notsoslow64
          1964 lark daytona
          bd_marks@yahoo.com
          HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

          Jeff


          Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



          Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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          • #6
            You might save yourself the manufacturing trouble....check out Jegs, Summit or Speedway (some of the other catalog sales guys). I think they have them in their catalogs.

            Unless you need a full inch, a 1/2" piece works well to insulate the carburetor.

            Remember, any added spacer adds to the plenum volume of your manifold. An open spacer vs. a four hole spacer. That's something to play with also to fine tune your engine.

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            • #7
              i know they are available by all the big names, i would just like to have my own.

              notsoslow64
              1964 lark daytona
              bd_marks@yahoo.com

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              • #8
                Benny,
                You may want to ask these guys where they got the 1/2" thick phenolic sheets they used in their router table insert:
                http://www.wood-worker.com/plans/router/phenolic.htm

                I know woodworking supply places carry it, usually only 1/4", though.

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                • #9
                  McMasters/Carr?
                  http://www.mcmaster.com/ .
                  Mike M.

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                  • #10
                    At the risk of sounding even more ignorant than usual; I don't understand the idea behind this carb spacer business. How and why is it better? Low rpm improvement or high end? Better milage? Thanks gurus, in advance. Kevin in the Stoogebaker

                    1963 Champ

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                    • #11
                      On ebay here

                      http://cgi.ebay.com/1547-PHENOLIC-1-...QQcmdZViewItem

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                      • #12
                        a spacer can help you make more power, but more importantly for most Stude owners, it also keeps the linkage of a standard aftermarket AFB from hitting the manifold casting... important if you think you may sell your carb in the future for whatever reason... also can help keep the carb from getting too hot if that is a problem by insulating the carb base from the manifold...

                        nate

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for answering my question N8. The water is slightly less muddy. Kevin in the Stoogebaker

                          1963 Champ

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                          • #14
                            Carb spacers are actually a fairly complex thing. They can increase overall power because they increase plenum volume, but they can also kill bottom and mid range torque if you don't use the right one. There are closed spacers, with a hole for each carb barrel, and open spacers that are just a big open square or oval. Generally, but not always, you would use a closed one on dual plane intakes and an open one on a single plane. Using an open on a dual plane intake lets each runner draw from both sides of the carb. That, in theory, gives you some features of both. There are also sometimes steps built into them to reduce reverse pressure pulses. To get real technical, you are also changing your fuel veolcity and therefore the signal to the carb. That could mean a jet adjustment to get everything right. So there is a lot of technology there and only a dyno can give you the real answer.

                            A phenolic spacer also acts as an insulator to keep the carb cooler. This gives you a denser fuel charge, which usually means more power.

                            There are also wedge plates that are used to level the carb to keep the floats at the right angle.

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                            • #15
                              Try item # 8525K118 at http://www.mcmaster.com/
                              Many others to choose from, just a quick pick on my part.


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