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    Advice requested on Stage 1 restoration
    Hi!
    I will start on the restoration of my '63 R2 Avanti.

    The plan is to start slowly and gain experience and
    confidence, finishing in about 5 years.

    This winter, I hope to
    1. repair front seats
    2. replace/purge all fluids
    3. clean and repair all electricals
    4. clean and re-install carpets

    Advice is appreciated. (I have the Gundy and the Studebaker books, so you can assume that I will read them several times before starting.)

    1. repair front seats
    normal wear and tear for 43 years, driver side has something broken in the framing, and passenger side is completely split. I see nothing wrong with back seats.

    I plan on taking both front seats out, cutting hog rings and stripping.

    * anthing tricky about taking seat out/in?
    * source for quality vinyl? please provide URLs,
    * should I get premade upholstery or have a custom shop match?
    * source for quality foam?

    2. replace/purge all fluids
    I think you have already answered all my questions on this. I will go with the highest grade synthetic I can find, other than the engine, which needs new seals.


    3. Electrical/Dash
    • Take each electrical connection and switch out, clean with tuner cleaner/lubricant, put back together with dielectric paste.
      - I am using electronic chemicals used in the telecom industry
    • Clock,
      does not work, need to figure out what is wrong and repair
      - advice on trouble shooting and repair needed
    • Fuel Gage.
      tank runs dry with 1/4 still showing on the guage.
      - needs advice
    • AM/FM Radio
      It would be a miracle if it still worked after 43 years! Replace all capacitors and probably the power transisters, use tuner cleaner/lube and work from there
      - other than the caps and power, what else tends to go wrong?
      - recommendations for quality speakers, do not necessarily need OEM and they will be covered anyway
    • will be experimenting with either a ferrite or loop antenna, like those used up to ~1949. My older relatives complain that they used to be able to hear AM deep in the valleys of the Rockies when they were young, but not with modern radios.



    *Carpet
    Other than some wear, in great shape. I plan on removing, cleaning and re-installing. Looked at Corvette sound deadening, mucho expensive. I have found 3/4 inch anti-fatigue padding 36 inch wide on a roll at hardware, Lowes, Home Depot. On the trial run, I took the already loose carpet out, gentle cycled it in the Maytag, air dried, glued it to 3/4 inch anti-fatigue, then glued that to the fiberglass. Gives that old nylon a luxurious feel, and deadens both sound and vibration.
    - comments, advice?

    that should keep me busy until June...



    Terry,
    1963 Avanti R2, 63SR1065 http://sterkel.org/avanti
    1985 Kubota L2202 (Diesel)
    2000 VW Jetta GLS
    2003 VW Jetta TDI (Diesel) http://sterkel.org/tdi

  • #2
    The very best thing you can have...is a plan.
    Your post makes good sence.
    Try to look into some software (freeware) that helps you track your expenses.
    Get a filing system set up for receipts, and for notes.
    Get a digital camera and take ton's of pictures...
    Before and after pic's.
    Pic's help on disassemble, because sometimes reassembly is weeks/months later...
    I'd stick with automotive insulators/sound deadners.
    Getting wet and mildewing is your biggest concern..
    Good luck with your project!
    Jeff[8D]

    HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

    Jeff


    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



    Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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    • #3
      quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

      The very best thing you can have...is a plan.
      Your post makes good sence.
      Try to look into some software (freeware) that helps you track your expenses.
      Get a filing system set up for receipts, and for notes.
      Get a digital camera and take ton's of pictures...
      Before and after pic's.
      Pic's help on disassemble, because sometimes reassembly is weeks/months later...
      I'd stick with automotive insulators/sound deadners.
      Getting wet and mildewing is your biggest concern..
      Good luck with your project!
      Jeff[8D]

      Along with Jeff's suggestions above, I do the following. It's a little labor intensive, but when the car gets reassembled, I know where that part goes.

      I keep ziplock sandwich and freezer bags (or similar brands) and I print out a copy of the parts book showing the exploded view of the part(s) in the subassembly, with the parts in the bag highlighted and part number(s) labeled on the bag. On parts too large to fit in the bags, I keep large wire tags that I can attach to the part (like radiator supports, headlamp mount panels, dash panels, etc.). All subassemblies are boxed together (i.e., hood parts in one box, fender trim and attaching hardware in another and so on).

      Having a complete game plan is critical. Knowing what you need to do, and the order you want to do them is very important. It's OK to deviate if the weather dictates. While my gauge cluster my be one of the last things to go in the car, it's also something I can doin the comfort of the house on a desktop. But when those little side jobs are completed, don't throw away any old parts until the car is completed. Sometimes little things my be needed that you didn't plan. And make sure the completed parts are packaged and cushioned for the time it'll be packed away.

      Good luck.





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      Tom - Sterling Heights, MI

      Ancient Chinese Proverb: "Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown!"

      1964 Studebaker Daytona - Laguna Blue, Original 4-Spd. Car, Power Steering, Disc Brakes, Bucket Seats, Tinted Glass, Climatizer Ventilation System, AM Radio (136,989 Miles)
      Tom - Bradenton, FL

      1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2514.10)
      1964 Studebaker Commander - 170 1V, 3-Speed w/OD

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      • #4
        Pretty much what they said. I have everything I've removed also labelled and placed in ziplock bags. I have those large rubbermaid containers to store the bags in. Take lots of before pics! Funny how bad your memory can be several months later when it's time to put things together. I take things in stages-eg: engine compartment, interior etc. If I think of the car as one big restoration, it get's overwhelming. As for the clock, I have had good luck in the past cleaning the mechanism using a proper oil like sewing machine oil on the gears and cleaning the contact points.

        todd


        63 Lark 2dr Sedan

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        • #5
          Terry, unless you're experienced in re-upholstering seats, give that task to a pro. It can easily become a major pain.
          Fuel tank - there were a couple of posts previously on this topic, check 'em out.
          /H

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          • #6
            A couple other thoughts...

            Carpet is cheap. You can pick up complete carpet sets from $100 and up depending on the car.

            Only because a Studebaker harness looks like a bowl of spaghetti, find a new NOS harness. They fall apart over time, just like any other car. Personally, unless this is going to be a 100 pt (400 pt?) restoration, I'd use a new harness from someone like Painless, Ron Francis or others. I think an OEM harness is an invitation for a fire. JMHO

            There are a few places that can do a complete restoration on Delco-Studebaker radios, inside and out. While I don't consider myself an electrical novice, some things are better left to those who make a living at. Again, JMHO. http://www.wonderbarman.com

            ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Tom - Sterling Heights, MI

            Ancient Chinese Proverb: "Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown!"

            1964 Studebaker Daytona - Laguna Blue, Original 4-Spd. Car, Power Steering, Disc Brakes, Bucket Seats, Tinted Glass, Climatizer Ventilation System, AM Radio (136,989 Miles)
            Tom - Bradenton, FL

            1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2514.10)
            1964 Studebaker Commander - 170 1V, 3-Speed w/OD

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            • #7
              quote:Originally posted by tsterkel

              [red] [b]
              Advice requested on Stage 1 restoration


              Terry,
              1963 Avanti R2, 63SR1065 http://sterkel.org/avanti
              1985 Kubota L2202 (Diesel)
              2000 VW Jetta GLS
              2003 VW Jetta TDI (Diesel) http://sterkel.org/tdi
              <h4>Terry,
              Here's a couple of sources for interior parts for your Avanti...

              http://www.stude.com/covers/ (Historic Automotive)
              http://www.studebakervendors.com/phantom.htm (Phantom Auto Works)

              Historic is JDP's company. JDP posts here often.

              I'd also suggest that you look at farming out the replacement of the seat coverings. It isn't easy for an amature and it's relatively inexpensive to have a pro do it. Of course there are those Stude nuts like Gary Ash who can do just about everthing perfect the first time. Here's his site on replacing seat upholstery...

              http://www.studegarage.com/upholstery.htm

              I'd probably argue with Jeff about recording expenses. From the looks of your plan (and your web site),however, you'd probably do this anyhow. I've done restorations with and without recording expenses, and I prefer without. It only brings me pain to realize how much money I have tied up in a car that will never return my "investment". I also don't know what purpose it serves. It can't help you price the car when you go to sell it (if you ever do). For me, the time and effort to keep receipts and record costs has no value...in fact, negetive value to the enjoyment of the hobby.

              Off topic (a little, but still about cars), I see that you have a lifetime average of 49 MPG on your 2003 TDI. I have a 2005 Jetta wagon with the TDI PD motor and TipTronic. I only spot check my mileage. Low 40's around town and low 50's on the highway...probably not as good as your 49 average. I'm running B100, B20 in a pinch. (saving the petroleum products for my Studebakers )

              -Dick-</h4>
              Dick Steinkamp
              Bellingham, WA

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              • #8
                So you want to argue, huh? LOL
                I wasn't trying to be anal about saving receipts, but I have found it better to save them for future use. I have had more than once the need to go dig through the box'o'receipts to find out what I needed to reorder...sometimes years later. And if you are going to save receipts, they might as well be in order... Especially if you are doing your second Stude..or third Stude ..or...
                Jeff[8D]



                Terry,
                &lt;snip&gt;
                I'd probably argue with Jeff about recording expenses. From the looks of your plan (and your web site),however, you'd probably do this anyhow. I've done restorations with and without recording expenses, and I prefer without. It only brings me pain to realize how much money I have tied up in a car that will never return my "investment". I also don't know what purpose it serves. It can't help you price the car when you go to sell it (if you ever do). For me, the time and effort to keep receipts and record costs has no value...in fact, negetive value to the enjoyment of the hobby.
                &lt;snip&gt;
                -Dick-
                [/quote]

                DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
                '37 Coupe Express
                '37 Coupe Express Trailer
                '61 Hawk

                http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock
                HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

                Jeff


                Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



                Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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                • #9
                  quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

                  So you want to argue, huh? LOL
                  I wasn't trying to be anal about saving receipts, but I have found it better to save them for future use. I have had more than once the need to go dig through the box'o'receipts to find out what I needed to reorder...sometimes years later. And if you are going to save receipts, they might as well be in order... Especially if you are doing your second Stude..or third Stude ..or...
                  Jeff[8D]
                  Gosh durn it...I agree with you on that, Jeff. Kind of disapointed that we can't argue, though

                  -Dick-
                  Dick Steinkamp
                  Bellingham, WA

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                  • #10

                    On this last pickup truck I finally broke down and bought one of those platic tub hanging file things from Office Depot. They have hanging files in them with I put in manila folders labelled for each area of the truck. I toss in the vendor instruction sheet(s), templates, and anything related to it. Also put small parts in zip lock bags and write on them with a Sharpie. It has saved me a bunch of time. I filled the first tub pretty quickly and went to a second tub. This danged truck had better be finished before I need a third tub though
                    Jeff[8D]


                    quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

                    quote:Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

                    So you want to argue, huh? LOL
                    I wasn't trying to be anal about saving receipts, but I have found it better to save them for future use. I have had more than once the need to go dig through the box'o'receipts to find out what I needed to reorder...sometimes years later. And if you are going to save receipts, they might as well be in order... Especially if you are doing your second Stude..or third Stude ..or...
                    Jeff[8D]
                    Gosh durn it...I agree with you on that, Jeff. Kind of disapointed that we can't argue, though

                    -Dick-
                    DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
                    '37 Coupe Express
                    '37 Coupe Express Trailer
                    '61 Hawk

                    http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock
                    HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

                    Jeff


                    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



                    Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

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                    • #11
                      You speak of the "restoration" of a 1963 Avanti. It sounds like you are approaching this in a logical fashion and I wish you well. You will probably enjoy doing it (most of the time), however, don't plan on making money on the car - do it because you want to. One point, an AM/FM radio is not correct for a 1963 Avanti.
                      Gary L.
                      Wappinger, NY

                      SDC member since 1968
                      Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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                      • #12
                        About saving receipts and keeping track of what you have invested: think about if some idiot runs a light and t-bones you (happened to a friend of mine) or it is destroyed in some other manner. If you have to fight an insurance company, receipts and totals are a good thing.

                        jj

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                        • #13
                          quote:Originally posted by jjones

                          About saving receipts and keeping track of what you have invested: think about if some idiot runs a light and t-bones you (happened to a friend of mine) or it is destroyed in some other manner. If you have to fight an insurance company, receipts and totals are a good thing.

                          jj
                          Insurance Companys don't care what you have spent on building a car. Some will insure it for apraised value, some for agreed upon value. In no case does your "investment" play a role in what the car is insured for. In all cases, you should know before you take that first drive what the payoff will be if it's totaled.
                          -Dick-
                          Dick Steinkamp
                          Bellingham, WA

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                          • #14
                            Dick has a good point. Where I live, you can only get insurance from a few specialist companies if you have an old "special" car. And then it is always "agreed value". Just make sure your insurance policy includes "retention of the wreck", just in case you want to re-surrect your pet project (or use some parts for a replacement copy).
                            The insurance cost is usually tied to the agreed value.
                            /H

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                            • #15
                              Also, if you have a "House & Contents" insurance, check what it says about garage contents. You may have to notify them of your Avanti project, to make sure it is covered while standing semi-dismantled in your workshop/garage/shed.
                              /H

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