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  • Chebby power for a Studeclunker

    I have a GMC that has a pretty decent 350 and tranny. how complicated would it be to put this powerplant into one of my Champs? This would'nt be a permanant thing so I don't want to do any cutting or welding. Just exploring possible options...



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    It'll fit in the bed of the truck without any cutting or welding.[:0][xx(][)]

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    • #3
      Front and rear mounts, may have to do some drive shaft work, use a mini starter you will think it had power stearing. If you need pictures I can get you some.

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      • #4
        try ignoring the tunnel visioned crowd, it will fit nicely without cutting and rattling the cages of the purists.

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        • #5
          What tunnel visioned crowd? Would you guys mind stepping right in front of me so I can see?[8D][:I]

          quote:Originally posted by oldcarfart

          try ignoring the tunnel visioned crowd, it will fit nicely without cutting and rattling the cages of the purists.
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          • #6
            I love it do you not?[:I][:I]





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            • #7
              We're not tunnel visioned we just know what engine is the toughest small block on the planet.
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              • #8
                Oh sigh... I'm a bit of a purist myself. Still that said... one sometimes just has to make do with what is available. Right now the GMC motor is. I have four Studie V8s that are dead on the property. They aren't going to do me any good in the forseeable future.

                So realisticly speaking, can it be done economicly[?]



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                • #9
                  At the SB swap meet in May,the nicest Champ I saw had a SBC in it.No cutting or 'butchering' evident,looked like it came from the factory that way.!!!The guy had spent something near $20k on the truck,so I think he could have had a Stude V-8 if he wanted to.[^]

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                  • #10
                    Stude 4x4,just wanted to point out that Studes V-8 is not a "small block"
                    Thats A Ford,GM,Mopar term used to differentiate between blocks with different size crank journals,for example,a Mopar 360 is a small block,while the 361 was a big block.
                    Stude only ever built one V-8,it evolved over the years from 232,224,259,289,etc,but basically all the same engine.
                    The block was recast in mid 62 to become a full flow,modern design,but a Stude V-8 is a Stude V-8.
                    About putting that 350 into your truck,I say,your truck,your decision.But if your actually thinking about converting back to Stude power sometime in the future,you'd save money and time by having one of your Stude engines re-built.
                    Chances are once the SBC goes in,it will be there for good.

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                    • #11
                      Transtar56, I meant small block in cubes. When compared to a 454 (which is a big block) the 289 is considered small. Just an FYI (because I am new to the forum) I've been around a "few" Studebakers.

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                      • #12
                        If cubes are what you are after, you can get a 'small block' from World performance that has a displacement of 454 cid. Pricey, but it'll grunt, fer sure[|)]
                        Jeff[8D]


                        quote:Originally posted by Stude4x4

                        Transtar56, I meant small block in cubes. When compared to a 454 (which is a big block) the 289 is considered small. Just an FYI (because I am new to the forum) I've been around a "few" Studebakers.
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                        • #13
                          I've got one thanks. One jimmy has the 350 the other has a 454. The 350 is the candidate right now.

                          Will the engine mounts and tranny mounts bolt on the Chebby?

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                          • #14
                            Ron,

                            The simple answer is that there are no factory brackets that will mate up a GM engine to the Champ frame. Such brackets do exist for the cars, because Stude used the McKinnon 283s in '65-'66. They never built a "McKinnon-ized" Champ, though.

                            Maybe one of the speed shops has an adaptor kit, but I've never heard of one. I think I'm on pretty safe ground in saying that you will have to personally fabricate all your brackets. If you can cut and weld steel, that's not necessarily a big job, but it means the engine swap won't be a weekend project.

                            Other items you have to make and/or find: exhaust, driveshaft, radiator and bracket, throttle and transmission linkages, heater and fuel hoses. Some of these may be trivial, others can be surprisingly tricky, especially if you stick closely to your stated intention of not altering the truck to the point that it can't be restored to stock.

                            I'm not such a purist that I would tell you to avoid an engine swap at any cost, but it's my opinion, that in this case, an engine swap is not necessarily the cheapest, quickest, or easiest way to get your Champ on the road.

                            I once had a '63 Champ as a daily driver. It had a 259 with a T10 4 speed, and it went like Jack the Bear. I sold it to another local chapter member, who swapped in a Dodge 318 and automatic tranny. He later admitted to me that the truck was slower, and used more fuel (but his girlfriend could drive the automatic).

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                            • #15
                              Honestly Gord, I'd rather have the 289 rebuilt. It went like a scalded monkey. It's just the motor needs rebuilding and I don't have the $$$. I'm only trying to make do with what I have. Putting money into the GMC seems a waste to me as I don't want it. The Champ is the desired focus.

                              The motor swap was just a thought to get going. A bad idea it seems...

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