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  • Larger brakes for '51 Commander?

    Will the larger V8 brakes from later model Studebakers (I think '55 and up) work on a '51 Commander?


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  • #2
    Yes, '54 through '66 V 8. Use backing plates, hardware and drums. If I remember correctly, you will need to use the '51 through '55 wheel bearings and seals though.

    Ted

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    • #3
      It is with trepidation that I attempt to correct Ted but...

      I thought that the spindles were the same but the hubs were different? i.e. if you swap to 11" drums you use the early bearings and seals with 54-55 hubs and the later bearings with 56-64 hubs. At least I've been told that I can put finned drums on my car ('55 coupe) but I need to buy new bearings and seals.

      Ted is right about the other stuff though, I'm certain that you would need to grab everything from the backing plates out from a parts car to make it work right.

      There's always Jim Turner as well if you really wanna go nuts...

      http://turnerbrake.com/

      nate

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      • #4
        I stand corrected Nate. It's been about 40 years since I changed my '51 and I have trouble remembering what I had for breakfast.

        Ted

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        • #5
          That's OK Ted. I have trouble remembering what you had for breakfast too! Was it Wheaties, the breakfast of .........[}]

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          1957 Transtar 1/2ton
          1960 Larkvertible V8
          1958 Provincial wagon
          1953 Commander coupe
          1957 President 2-dr
          1955 President State
          1951 Champion Biz cpe
          1963 Daytona project FS
          No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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          • #6
            I put 61 brakes on my 51 and used the same bearings and seals and put 63 brakes on my 53 with the same bearings and seals. They've worked fine for years. Have I missed something?
            The only problem I had was fitting the parking brake cables through the rear backing plates, a minor inconvenience quickly managed.
            And Ted's picture should be on some of those boxes.
            "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

            Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
            Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
            sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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            • #7
              If you just used whatever bearings were already in the hubs, that should have worked. AFAIK the spindles are all the same, although there was some change at some point to the whole part, I think the actual spindle is the same 51-up.

              As for the wheaties box thing... maybe we should suggest a "legends of drag racing" series or something?

              nate

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              • #8
                And I guess a silly question is... Do I really need larger brakes? Or should I just put the same stock ones on? BTW thanks for the replies.


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                • #9
                  Personally, I think the answer is yes. I don't mind driving a Stude with the 11" brakes in modern traffic but anything smaller is marginal IMHO.

                  nate

                  (of course I live near DC, so...)

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                  • #10
                    Those brakes were woefully inadequate for the weight of the car; add a few passengers, an incline,a deer darting out in front of you...

                    Been there!

                    I love good brakes.

                    If you always know in advance what situation you will encounter any brakes are adequate.
                    "All attempts to 'rise above the issue' are simply an excuse to avoid it profitably." --Dick Gregory

                    Brad Johnson, SDC since 1975, ASC since 1990
                    Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
                    sigpic'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight "Désirée"

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                    • #11
                      I have fiddled with my 51 Commander's brakes 'till I'm blue in the face, and even in top condition they are simply inadequate. I think it's unique to the year/model/engine. Just too heavy for the stock brakes. Comments about passengers is correct--load 'er up, and boy, are you in for an exciting ride!!

                      I'm going with late model drums, but if I could I'd probably go with a Turner disc kit...



                      51 Commander State Sedan
                      Butler PA

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                      • #12
                        Eman,

                        Change the brakes. Especially since this is a V8 car and you want to actualy DRIVE it.
                        I remember a fella I got to know some 30 years ago - he had a really gorgeous, original 52 Commander hardtop. Some kids were driving erratically and teasing him about his old Studebaker. The young driver purposely got in front of him and hit his brakes. The poor guy reacted alright but the brakes were not up to the panic applied. The whole nose of that pretty red and gray hardtop was buckled.
                        The later V8 brake setup (even the 6cylinder setup is better but you still want to go for the best!) is not just "better", it's a multiple of "better".[^]

                        Miscreant at large.

                        1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                        1960 Larkvertible V8
                        1958 Provincial wagon
                        1953 Commander coupe
                        1957 President 2-dr
                        1955 President State
                        1951 Champion Biz cpe
                        1963 Daytona project FS
                        No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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