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    I found out there are only two ways you can safely drive a C cab truck at 75 MPH. One: Everyone in front of you is driving cars and trucks built in the 50's or two, add better brakes. If a BMW in front of you decides to make a panic stop, the truck will only slow down once it makes scrap metal out out of a import. It never happened to me, but it was sure hinting at the possibility, so I bought and installed the big 12 inch Turners today, about a 3 hour, no hassle job.


    64 Commander 2 dr.
    64 Daytona HT
    63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
    63 Avanti R1
    63 Daytona convert
    63 Lark 2 door
    63 Lark 2 door #2
    62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
    62 Lark 2 door
    60 Lark HT
    60 Hawk
    59 3E truck
    52 Starliner
    51 Commander

    JDP Maryland

  • #2
    Looking good JP.
    Now if I can just get some for an 8E12 Champ and a 5E13 Transtar.
    I only drive them at 75 when I cant see any cars ahead on the Interstate.[8D]


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    7E7
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    • #3
      WUSSIES![}]

      Miscreant adrift in
      the BerStuda Triangle


      1957 Transtar 1/2ton
      1960 Larkvertible V8
      1958 Provincial wagon
      1953 Commander coupe

      No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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      • #4
        I prefer being a live Wussie, to a dead purist. I did try to live with the stock brakes, I rebuilt every bit of them, but the drums are not designed for Baltimore/DC traffic and drivers. Cars out here run bumper to bumper at 75 MPH plus, no room for error.

        64 Commander 2 dr.
        64 Daytona HT
        63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
        63 Avanti R1
        63 Daytona convert
        63 Lark 2 door
        63 Lark 2 door #2
        62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
        62 Lark 2 door
        60 Lark HT
        60 Hawk
        59 3E truck
        52 Starliner
        51 Commander

        JDP Maryland

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        • #5
          JP, Mr. Biggs has one of the first sets of Jims disc brakes on Pete.
          He's just messing with us.



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          4E2
          4E28
          5E13
          7E7
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          8E12
          8E28
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          • #6
            I was just returning the favor and messing with him.

            64 Commander 2 dr.
            64 Daytona HT
            63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
            63 Avanti R1
            63 Daytona convert
            63 Lark 2 door
            63 Lark 2 door #2
            62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
            62 Lark 2 door
            60 Lark HT
            60 Hawk
            59 3E truck
            52 Starliner
            51 Commander

            JDP Maryland

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            • #7
              I was wondering if Mr. Biggs was gonna tell us all that! <G>

              Jim
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              • #8
                LOL!!!!! Yeah, if you think your traffic encounters make you pucker up, try hauling another Stude on one HEAVY-azzed tralier with only the stock drum brakes![:0][8][V][xx(]
                Stops were planned and started about a mile in advance. And I'm not kidding either![)] That's why Pete wears Jim's #2 set of truck disc brakes.

                Miscreant adrift in
                the BerStuda Triangle


                1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                1960 Larkvertible V8
                1958 Provincial wagon
                1953 Commander coupe

                No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                • #9
                  Any idea why the brakes are so marginal compared to the similar sized car jobs ?

                  64 Commander 2 dr.
                  64 Daytona HT
                  63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
                  63 Avanti R1
                  63 Daytona convert
                  63 Lark 2 door
                  63 Lark 2 door #2
                  62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
                  62 Lark 2 door
                  60 Lark HT
                  60 Hawk
                  59 3E truck
                  52 Starliner
                  51 Commander

                  JDP Maryland

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                  • #10
                    Yup, they stayed with the non-self-energizing setup that cars abandoned in '53.[xx(] Who knows why?

                    Then for '63 they basically borrowed the V8 car brakes for halftons (the self-energizing parts anyway) and used the same truck drums still. It was a marked improvement, but still not as good as the discs.
                    Like we do with later car brakes, if one can find an 8E5 or 8E7, the brakes off it are a good upgrade for earlier halftons. Trouble is, there AREN'T many 8E donors to borrow from.[V]

                    Miscreant adrift in
                    the BerStuda Triangle


                    1957 Transtar 1/2ton
                    1960 Larkvertible V8
                    1958 Provincial wagon
                    1953 Commander coupe

                    No deceptive flags to prove I'm patriotic - no biblical BS to impress - just ME and Studebakers - as it should be.

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                    • #11
                      About seven years ago we hauled a forklift behind our '58 1/2 ton. Back then it had a tired 289 with a four speed and the crappy drum brakes. The trailer weighed 3k lbs and we found out later that the forklift weighed 7k lbs. No joke. Needless to say the stoplight turned red and there was no stoppin that truck. Fortunately no body go hurt. Since then we have upgraded to disc brakes and now its a 3/4 ton. We also learned to make sure your trailer has electric brakes(none of that surge crap) and you know the weight of your load.

                      Jake

                      -Home of John Studebaker-
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                      • #12
                        Finally mounted and plumbed the rebuilt hydrovac under the can and got to try the new brakes. I was pleased to find the power brakes were not at all touchy, but boy does the truck stop now.

                        64 Commander 2 dr.
                        64 Daytona HT
                        63 Cruiser
                        63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
                        63 Avanti R1
                        63 Daytona convert
                        63 Lark 2 door
                        63 Lark 2 door #2
                        62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
                        62 Lark 2 door
                        60 Lark HT
                        60 Hawk
                        59 3E truck
                        52 Starliner
                        51 Commander

                        JDP Maryland

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                        • #13
                          John did you stick with the stock one pot master cylinder?
                          Just wondering how else you would have used the stock hydrovac.
                          (Under the can??)


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                          4E2
                          4E28
                          5E13
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                          8E28
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                          • #14
                            I've been studying that situation for some time and last November, decided on the following plan of action. My car is a 64 GT with a Turner dual MC and standard Stude FDB. I have a Hydrovac, plumbed onto the front brake lines.
                            I'm running the front lines from the MC to the hydrovac, then to a combo valve, then to the front disk brakes. The rear brake line exits the MC, then to the combo valve and then to the rear drums.
                            The combo valve allows the rear brakes to engage first, then once 10-15# of pressure builds, allows the front to grab. This prevents nosedive, etc. In a panic stop, it does some other voodoo to enable straightline stops.
                            My MC is from a 95 Eclipse... 1" bore with remote filler hoses. Fits the bracket perfectly and is low and slender, so I can forget about crawling under the floor, permanently. The combo valve does metering, line balancing and proportioning, all for one money. I'll be installing all this, once the floor of my garage exceeds 45 degrees, hopefully soon...


                            Bob Johnstone
                            64 GT Hawk (K7)
                            1970 Avanti (R3)

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                            • #15
                              I have the single MC, but if i go with the dual and Jim's rear disks, I may just do the front on the hydrovac.

                              64 Commander 2 dr.
                              64 Daytona HT
                              63 Cruiser
                              63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
                              63 Avanti R1
                              63 Daytona convert
                              63 Lark 2 door
                              63 Lark 2 door #2
                              62 Daytona HT/ 4 speed
                              62 Lark 2 door
                              60 Lark HT
                              60 Hawk
                              59 3E truck
                              52 Starliner
                              51 Commander

                              JDP Maryland

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