Announcement

Collapse

Get more Tips, Specs and Technical Data!

Did you know... this Forum is a service of the Studebaker Drivers Club? For more technical tips, specifications, history and tech data, visit the Tech Tips page at the SDC Homepage: www.studebakerdriversclub.com/tips.asp
See more
See less

alternative carburetors for a champion six

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • alternative carburetors for a champion six

    Are there any alternative carburetors for a 185 Champion six other than the original 1bbl Carter that is on mine now? I'm hoping there's a way to get more power from the engine, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

    Also, when I bought this 55 truck, the original oil bath air cleaner was long gone, only a cheapy little air cleaner (that looks like a pleated upside down drinking glass) attached to the carb with a hose clamp. Assuming I stay with the existing Carter carb (approx 2 1/4 inches across the outside of the carburetor throat), what other air cleaner unit can I install that will fit and that will get its air from the front of the grill, rather than taking hot air from the surrounding engine compartment?

    Thanks,
    Paul

  • #2
    Calvin Lowell (OldCarFart) was making a 2bbl adapter for the champion but I don't know if he still is or not. You might also want to check with Bill Cathcartm he is the Champion performance guru.

    Just FYI the factory air cleaner sucked air from the engine compartment as well. AFAIK the only Studes with cold air induction were the R-3 models.

    nate

    --
    55 Commander Starlight
    62 Daytona hardtop
    http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel
    --
    55 Commander Starlight
    http://members.cox.net/njnagel

    Comment


    • #3
      There's a neat Offy dual carb manifold available new from offyparts.com...
      http://www.offyparts.com/index.php/c...eeec42d2ecb6fd
      Calvin Lowell made a few carb adapters to run a 2bbl carb that really perked up the lil' Champ engine.
      If you have a Stromber WW 2bbl carb laying around from another Stude, you can run this adapter (as long as you have the hood clearance)...
      http://www.stoveboltengineco.com/aca...p?productid=91
      (price is real reasonable too!)
      Hope the info helps.
      Jeff[8D]




      quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter

      Are there any alternative carburetors for a 185 Champion six other than the original 1bbl Carter that is on mine now? I'm hoping there's a way to get more power from the engine, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

      Also, when I bought this 55 truck, the original oil bath air cleaner was long gone, only a cheapy little air cleaner (that looks like a pleated upside down drinking glass) attached to the carb with a hose clamp. Assuming I stay with the existing Carter carb (approx 2 1/4 inches across the outside of the carburetor throat), what other air cleaner unit can I install that will fit and that will get its air from the front of the grill, rather than taking hot air from the surrounding engine compartment?

      Thanks,
      Paul
      DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
      '37 Coupe Express
      '37 Coupe Express Trailer
      '61 Hawk
      http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock
      HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

      Jeff


      Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



      Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

      Comment


      • #4
        Thanks for all this information, guys. I've still got a lot of thinkin' and learnin' to do.

        Paul Simpson
        "DilloCrafter"

        1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
        The Red-Headed Amazon
        Deep in the heart of Texas

        Comment


        • #5
          For starters, put a much larger capacity air cleaner on your engine. You might be surprised. I have seen many engines with poor performance just because the air cleaner was too small or was blocked/dirty. That 185 cubic inch engine has to be able to freely draw in a large volume of air. Of course, other changes, like a two barrel or a shaved head, will yield more, but it sounds like you need to change the air cleaner no matter what.
          Gary L.
          Wappinger, NY

          SDC member since 1968
          Studebaker enthusiast much longer

          Comment


          • #6
            I had success transplanting a Holly Webber two barrel progressive onto my 170 flathead, high compression head (7.5), with a bit of jetting jiggery pokery. My experience can be seen at

            http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/larkcarb.doc

            Write me with questions.

            With a 4.09 rear ratio, 3sp OD transmission, I had one 196 mile run with over 29 mpg.

            Tom Bredehoft
            '53 Commander Coupe
            '60 Lark VI

            Comment


            • #7
              Thanks, Studegary. I'll take your advice and find a big air cleaner to match whatever carb arrangement I settle on. (And I can see how shaving my head will cut down on drag, but how will it make me stronger? ).

              TomB, I appreciate you sharing your experience with the upgrade. For anyone else who wants to visit your link above, I suggest they do a "right-click and save as" to get that Word doc onto their computer rather than a regular left-click (may hang up in the browser window like mine did). If I get a similar kit from Stovebolt, I'll probably write you for advice, although that Word doc is a great article on your 1bbl to 2bbl conversion.

              Paul Simpson
              "DilloCrafter"

              1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
              The Red-Headed Amazon
              Deep in the heart of Texas

              Comment


              • #8
                DEEPNHOCK, is this the Stromberg 2bbl you are talking about, and do you think this one is worth buying and for how much?
                http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=7985943952

                If so, would this be a better choice than the (already rebuilt) Holley Weber that I can get from Langdon's Stovebolt Engine Parts Co. http://www.stoveboltengineco.com/aca...?productid=149

                Mr. Langdon's site doesn't have a photo of the Holley Weber (I think it is a model 5200), but here is a photo I stole from Tom B's Word document.


                Paul Simpson
                "DilloCrafter"

                1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
                The Red-Headed Amazon
                Deep in the heart of Texas

                Comment


                • #9

                  Interesting conversion.
                  I have a customer who used that style carb on an early 2bbl Stude V8 manifold (turned it sideways). Made for a real high mpg setup.
                  Jeff[8D]


                  quote:Originally posted by Tom B

                  I had success transplanting a Holly Webber two barrel progressive onto my 170 flathead, high compression head (7.5), with a bit of jetting jiggery pokery. My experience can be seen at

                  http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/larkcarb.doc

                  Write me with questions.

                  With a 4.09 rear ratio, 3sp OD transmission, I had one 196 mile run with over 29 mpg.

                  Tom Bredehoft
                  '53 Commander Coupe
                  '60 Lark VI
                  DEEPNHOCK at Cox.net
                  '37 Coupe Express
                  '37 Coupe Express Trailer
                  '61 Hawk
                  http://community.webshots.com/user/deepnhock
                  HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)

                  Jeff


                  Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain



                  Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Opinions, please: Do you think a Holley 2300 (part #07448) 2 barrel, capable of 350 cfm, is too much for the Studebaker 185 cu. in. six?

                    Thanks in advance,
                    Paul

                    1955 1/2 Ton Pickup

                    Paul Simpson
                    "DilloCrafter"

                    1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
                    The Red-Headed Amazon
                    Deep in the heart of Texas

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      At 3800 rpm a 185 will be drawing in between 170 and 200 cfm. It might be somewhat rich, jetted down, should be all right. If you make it to 5000, you will need 250 cfm. plenty of air left.

                      Would it be to much carb? Probably not.

                      Tom Bredehoft
                      '53 Commander Coupe
                      '60 Lark VI

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Here is something to drool over...

                        http://www.cathcartsstudebaker.com/p...erformance.htm



                        quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter

                        Are there any alternative carburetors for a 185 Champion six other than the original 1bbl Carter that is on mine now? I'm hoping there's a way to get more power from the engine, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

                        Also, when I bought this 55 truck, the original oil bath air cleaner was long gone, only a cheapy little air cleaner (that looks like a pleated upside down drinking glass) attached to the carb with a hose clamp. Assuming I stay with the existing Carter carb (approx 2 1/4 inches across the outside of the carburetor throat), what other air cleaner unit can I install that will fit and that will get its air from the front of the grill, rather than taking hot air from the surrounding engine compartment?

                        Thanks,
                        Paul
                        Paul Leske
                        '59 Lark VI

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X