1963 Champ

[whacker]

For answers to your engine serial number questions, might I suggest:

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/tech_v8data.asp

This is right here on this web site under the tech tips and specification section from the home page. If the serial number is not where MrBiggs suggested, the only other place might be at the opposite corner, to the left (as you face the engine) of the distributor. This would be a long shot, as that serial number would be a 5-6 digit number, and would specify a 232 engine from 1951 - 1954. That would have to have replaced the original sometime in the past. A long shot as I say. If the serial starts with a cloverleaf, or is only a cloverleaf, the engine is a factory replacement engine.

[KevinSheen]

Thanks Whacker, I'll check it out. Kevin

quote:Originally posted by whacker

For answers to your engine serial number questions, might I suggest:

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/tech_v8data.asp

This is right here on this web site under the tech tips and specification section from the home page. If the serial number is not where MrBiggs suggested, the only other place might be at the opposite corner, to the left (as you face the engine) of the distributor. This would be a long shot, as that serial number would be a 5-6 digit number, and would specify a 232 engine from 1951 - 1954. That would have to have replaced the original sometime in the past. A long shot as I say. If the serial starts with a cloverleaf, or is only a cloverleaf, the engine is a factory replacement engine.

1963 Champ

[KevinSheen]

Okay folks, I found the number 1557570 cast on the cylinder head center exhaust port. I also found the number 1554341 on the radiator. I think we are getting closer. Any way to cross reference these numbers to an engine type? Thanks. Kevin

1963 Champ

[Transtar60]

Well your getting warm. That is a Studebaker V8 head #.
On the center front of the engine, just above the timing cover, should be a little flat blockoff plate held on with two bolts. Just to the right of that(as you are standing in front of the truck) should be a flat machined spot where the serial # should be Stamped. Like one of the previous posters said, they are not big letters, 1/4" or 3/16 " maybe
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[KevinSheen]

Thanks TStar. I'll be looking. What a relief to know I've got a Stude engine!. Kevin

1963 Champ

[N8N]

Eh, I wouldn't have been upset about an IH motor. The 345 is just like a Stude engine (overbuilt) just bigger!

nate

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[Transtar60]

N8, an IH motor is fine if your baling hay or picking corn.<G>

[mjeansonne]

There is a lot of rice grown around Crowley, Louisiana! That truck was [u]</u>too<s></s> pretty traveling down the interstate to have anything but a Stude engine!

Laisez le bon temps roulez avec un Studebaker

[KevinSheen]

You're right Mike. Crowley is the rice capitol of the world because something like one third of the entire world's production of rice is grown around here. Hard to belive but true. We even have a rice museum. That's worth the trip all by itself!
Anyway, I'm glad to know I've got a Stude engine. I just wish I could find the numbers to find out what size it is.
Also, I need a waterpump. I went on e-bay after finding out that the Collins's are out. I found two people with Stude Waterpumps for sale. The first was for a 63 6 cyl champion according to the seller who was asking 27.99. The second was for 59-64 Studes with a p/n of 88-1261. Anyone know if that's the pump I need? Thanks. KS

1963 Champ

[Roscomacaw]

The part number for a 63 Champ's V8 water pump is 1558224 but there's other factory part #s that are virtually the exact same thing. That number you've listed simply HAS to be some aftermarket rebuilder's stock number. There's NEVER a dash (hyphen) in a Stude part number. And frankly, however much a deal that pump might be, it's been years since jobbers bothered to keep rebuilt Stude pumps in stock. So likely, any old rebuilts that are still around may well have dried up grease in their bearings - or deteriorated seals. Who wants to put on a "new" pump only to have it fail in short order???[xx(] A "bargain like that is no bargain at all![}]
While we're on this topic, same thing goes with rebuilt fuel pumps. Most I've seen for sale on ebay, I wouldn't even bother to mount up! You're only ASKING for trouble by buying a rebuilt water pump, fuel pump or carb that's been sitting on the shelf for ages! Brand new or fresh rebuilt pumps are available from Stude vendors or even NAPA (Napa# M2211 gets you a brand new fuel pump!)
Same thing with old radiator hoses. I looked at a cache of NOS Stude radiator hoses yesterday. They felt pliable and all but I can tell you from experience - you'll be lucky to get a year's use out of them before they start to degrade. Think about it! 40 or 50 year old rubber parts! Would you trust a condom that old[?] I MIGHT use an NOS radiator hose if I was showing the car and wanted it to be as original in appearance as possible. I wouldn't drive it much with that hose tho.
SASCO and other vendors stock V8 pumps and SASCO's V8 pump is 1563640. That number supercedes 1558224 and about 6 other Stude V8 pump #s! BTW, their price is $78 bucks and change +shipping of course.
I'm sure SI and Stpehen Allens and many others have V8 pumps. SI (Studebaker International) has one pump to fit almost ALL 51 to 64 Stude V8 engines except Avanti. That number is 527070 and these are NEW Water pumps - not rebuilt. $80 + shipping
I believe SASCO's pump is new an not rebuilt also. Not sure tho. Ask if you call.[^]
OH! And one other thing - these new water pumps are available because your friendly Stude parts vendors threw in together and had some made. When we buy from these vendors who support our specific needs, we perpetuate the incentive for them to reproduce things. THAT'S only going to work in OUR favor so long as we keep such doings profitable for them. They're not doing it entirely for love of the marque. They're doing it to make a buck too. When you buy some tired rebuilt off ebay, you're doing yourself a disfavor by diminishing the appeal for these guys to repop more parts as they become scarce!

Miscreant at large.

[KevinSheen]

I ordered the pump from SASCO this morning. Thanks for the heads-up about e-bay. I'm kind of new to the whole computer thing and had never been on e-bay before, I just thought I'd have a look. Mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa!
My truck has an aftermarket, electric fuel pump in use as a theft deterrent. I'm going to leave it there. It wouldn't phaze a pro, but it would stop a dumb kid from joyriding. Kevin

1963 Champ

[Roscomacaw]

Yeah, an electric pump is fine. Just don't plumb it THRU the old mechanical pump! Some folks have done that and had a rude awakening when the diaphragm in the old pump broke and the electric pump dutifully filled the engine with raw gasoline![xx(]
If you have a pump that' putting out too much pressure (to where it floods the carb), use a pressure regulator between the pump and carb and set it NO higher than 3 or 4lbs. pressure.

Miscreant at large.

[KevinSheen]

Good tip. I'll doublecheck that when I get the truck back, but I'm pretty sure the old pump is bypassed already. K

1963 Champ

[KevinSheen]

My bed is 70 inches wide and 8 FT long. And my engine number is P 103363.

1963 Champ

[Transtar60]

Well Kevin, your trucks engine started life as a 1963 car 289 cid V8.
Which is no big deal . My 64 Champ's 289 started out in a 57 Studebaker Commander/President.