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    Hi, had a chance to tinker with the truck some more today and decided I would change all of the fluids including the trans grease. When I pulled the drain on the trans nothing came out. Further investigation revealed the trans is pumped full of what appears to be a chassis grease. I am hoping this is a product I am not familiar with but as you can see in the pics this stuff will hang on a stick. I am guessing it was put there to overcome or hide a problem. there was a hollow made at the fill plug which I had filled with gear oil but it wasnt very much. Would you assume serious damage in 2500 or so miles of driving with this concoction? This is the truck that jumps out of 4th gear. My trans says T-98 IV on it, Is that a t-98 or T-98A? Thanks, Steve










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    Does not look good to me... [:0][xx(]

    I would likely be pulling that baby out and taking it apart for a good look see to find out for sure what is going on. Usually something around 80-90 weight oil in those units.

    <h5>Mark
    '57 Transtar Deluxe
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    Mark Hayden
    '66 Commander
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    • #3
      quote:Originally posted by Mark57

      Does not look good to me... [:0][xx(]

      I would likely be pulling that baby out and taking it apart for a good look see to find out for sure what is going on. Usually something around 80-90 weight oil in those units.

      <h5>Mark
      '57 Transtar Deluxe
      Vancouver Island Chapter
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      Yes, I will be pulling it before I drive it any more. I had hoped to get a junk 56 truck for parts but wasnt able to put together a deal on it. Ive never taken an auto transmission apart but have built a few for motorcycles, How hard/expensive is this trans to build? Does it require a lot of special tools? Thanks, Steve

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      • #4
        I misread the 1st posting and thought it was for a manual transmission, not a automatic. The info does work for a manual.

        I just ran the play of finding the correct lube for the transmission on a 64 Commander, 3 speed manual. According to the manual, you have to use 80-90 wt. GL-1 rated oil. So all the easy stuff to buy anywhere does not work for this. If the later oils are used (GL-2 through 5), it can attack the bronze parts of the trans. NAPA sells the correct oil, I had trouble getting my store to order it as they did not want to stock the remainder of the case and the distrubutor sells in a minimum 1 case order. I able to get one gallon, but it's a long story. The NAPA number is NHF 65201, $10/Gal.

        There is a place in Kansas City that sells it online, $18/Gal.

        http://www.fifthaveinternetgarage.co...counter_3.html


        I hope this helps.

        David

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        David King

        1964 Studebaker Commander
        1958 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham (615)
        1966 Pontiac GTO convertible

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        1958 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham (615)
        1959 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham (56)
        1960 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham (83)
        1966 Pontiac GTO convertible

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        • #5
          quote:Originally posted by DKing

          Disregard the post. I misread the 1st posting an thought it was for a manual transmission, not a automatic. The info does work for a manual.

          I just ran the play of finding the correct lube for the transmission on a 64 Commander, 3 speed manual. According to the manual, you have to use 80-90 wt. GL-1 rated oil. So all the easy stuff to buy anywhere does not work for this. If the later oils are used (GL-2 through 5), it can attack the bronze parts of the trans. NAPA sells the correct oil, I had trouble getting my store to order it as they did not want to stock the remainder of the case and the distrubutor sells in a minimum 1 case order. I able to get one gallon, but it's a long story. The NAPA number is NHF 65201, $10/Gal.

          There is a place in Kansas City that sells it online, $18/Gal.

          http://www.fifthaveinternetgarage.co...counter_3.html


          I hope this helps.

          David

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          David King

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          1958 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham (615)
          1966 Pontiac GTO convertible

          SDC Member#: A011937K


          Thanks, It is a manual. I edited the first post to eliminate the confusion. Thanks, Steve

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          • #6
            It does look like somebody used chassis grease in there.
            I got my GL1 for my 64 Champ with the T-98 at the local Tractor Supply co.
            It was labeled as tranny oil for older Ford tractors(Jubilee, 8N, etc).

            I filled mine and ran the truck around the farm for an half hour, drained it and filled it back up. The transmission shifts as good as new.
            It was a little balky on the old stuff that was in there.

            My Dad told me about a 48 Pontiac my Uncle Bob bought in the early 50's.

            The used car dealer had put saw dust in the tranny oil to quiet the whine of a bad bearing.


            3E38
            4E2
            4E28
            5E13
            7E7
            8E7
            8E12
            8E28

            59 Lark
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            • #7
              Yea, I remember that sawdust trick from an "The Andy Griffith Show" where Barney thougt he got a great deal on a LOL driven Ford and found out it was a con - the rear end was filled with sawdust to quiet it down. Russ Farris

              1963 GT Hawk R-2 4-speed
              1964 Avanti R-1 Auto
              1963 GT Hawk R-2 4-speed
              1964 Avanti R-1 Auto

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              • #8
                When I went to change the rear gear oil in my 62 Hawk, at 108000 I removed about 1/4 cup of gearoil. The rest I had to scoop out by hand, a might thinner than your examples. I sprayed out housing with brake clean, allowed it to dryout overnight and refilled it. Did that again after 200 miles. My car was a Calif. delivered, was the oil ever changed? Did heat, ambient air temps help cook the gear oil? That is my guess. Lou Cote [8D]

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                • #9
                  We had a Model A ford when I was in high school, I recall my dad filling the tranny with something that looked like that, it was 600W (?)transmission oil. Here is a link to some information on the 600W oil: http://www.capitolcitya.org/articles/technical.html .

                  Dan Peterson
                  Montpelier, VT
                  1960 Lark V-8 Convertible
                  1960 Lark V-8 Convertible (parts car)
                  1961 Lark Crusier
                  1962 Lark V-8 Regal Convertible
                  Dan Peterson
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