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    The pin that fixes the hydraulic arm to the scissor frame has popped out on my '63. Looks like this pin was pressed in. Any ideas on how to repair the scissor frame?

    Allen


    1964 R2 GT Hawk

    1963 Daytona Convertible
    Oakville, Ontario.
    Hamilton Chapter

    1964 GT Hawk
    PSMCDR 2014
    Best time: 14.473 sec. 96.57 MPH quarter mile
    PSMCDR 2013
    Best time: 14.654 sec. 94.53 MPH quarter

    Victoria, Canada

  • #2
    Can post a couple of pics for reference on clearance issues and such? TNX

    Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
    In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
    If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

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    • #3
      quote:Originally posted by JGK 940

      Can post a couple of pics for reference on clearance issues and such? TNX

      Yes, we can get to the bottom of this with a picture. jimmijim

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      • #4
        Don't know without a pic, but 55-57 T-Bird vendors sell a replacement rivet kit for conv. tops so one can disassemble(drill out) the entire top frame (that has all pressed in hinge rivets) and when re assembled use these and can't tell the difference. Just something you may want to check into.


        1956 Studebaker Pelham Wagon Houston, Texas
        Remember, "When all is said and done. More is always said then ever done."

        1956 Studebaker Pelham Wagon Houston, Texas
        Remember, \"When all is said and done. More is always said then ever done.\"

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        • #5
          quote:KGlowacky Posted - 02/11/2010 : 09:38:30 AM Don't know without a pic, but 55-57 T-Bird vendors sell a replacement rivet kit for conv. tops so one can disassemble(drill out) the entire top frame (that has all pressed in hinge rivets) and when re assembled use these and can't tell the difference. Just something you may want to check into.


          1956 Studebaker Pelham Wagon Houston, Texas
          Remember, "When all is said and done. More is always said then ever done."

          You're on the right track. I need the main replacement rivet on the scissor portion of the convertible top. I've been searching for Thunderbird vendors and convertible top websites that may have that replacement rivet without success.

          Do you have any idea which vendor has the replacement rivet?

          Allen


          1964 R2 GT Hawk

          1963 Daytona Convertible
          Oakville, Ontario.
          Hamilton Chapter

          1964 GT Hawk
          PSMCDR 2014
          Best time: 14.473 sec. 96.57 MPH quarter mile
          PSMCDR 2013
          Best time: 14.654 sec. 94.53 MPH quarter

          Victoria, Canada

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          • #6
            If you haven't called Convertible Service in San Gabriel (greater Los Angeles), give them a try toll free at (800) 333-1140. I would be VERY surprised if they didn't have exactly what you're looking for in a box on a shelf three rows back from the front door and a tech who can walk you through the whole installation process on the phone. They've helped me out multiple times with everything from spring-loaded Corvairs to full-Goldberg scissors-style on a '72 Olds and the T-Bird and 4-door-Continental guys in SoCal swear by 'em.

            http://store.convertibleparts.com/frandfrco.html

            Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
            In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
            If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

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            • #7
              Keoni is right about CS; they're a good operation. But if you think T-birds can help, so can Lincolns. The best Lincoln place is Baker's. They have and do ANYTHING for Lincolns. I've done quite a bit of business with them for my Lincolns. The owner, Steve Ouelette, is a very helpful guy and is always willing to talk to you if needed. Might be worth a try.

              http://www.bakersauto.com/panda.html

              Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
              Parish, central NY 13131

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              • #8
                Try Larry's T-birds. I bought some a year ago.


                1956 Studebaker Pelham Wagon Houston, Texas
                Remember, "When all is said and done. More is always said then ever done."

                1956 Studebaker Pelham Wagon Houston, Texas
                Remember, \"When all is said and done. More is always said then ever done.\"

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                • #9
                  Here are the pictures of the rivet that need to be repaired on the convertible frame.



                  This is where the problem with the rivet has backed out of the frame



                  Side view



                  Arm off


                  I'll have to go over to my girlfriend house and measure that hole in the frame to get the right replacement rivet.

                  I sure hope these recommended vendors can help me out. I try to give them a call tomorrow afternoon.

                  Thanks


                  Allen




                  1964 R2 GT Hawk

                  1963 Daytona Convertible
                  Oakville, Ontario.
                  Hamilton Chapter

                  1964 GT Hawk
                  PSMCDR 2014
                  Best time: 14.473 sec. 96.57 MPH quarter mile
                  PSMCDR 2013
                  Best time: 14.654 sec. 94.53 MPH quarter

                  Victoria, Canada

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                  • #10
                    quote:Originally posted by studebaker-R2-4-me

                    Here are the pictures of the rivet that need to be repaired on the convertible frame.
                    PERFECT! Many thanks. Just as I suspected: anyone who's ever loved a droptop can tell you these suckers are just about the first thing to go after the cloth. Piece-o-cake. Any vendor mentioned here will have exactly what you need, and call it a "piston pushrod hingepin" IIRC. Shipping will probably cost you more than the part.

                    Edit - Corrected after consultation with my trusty 1959-1964 Studebaker Body Parts Catalog - what you're looking for is officially two parts: a "PIN, rear side rail clevis," P/N 1336786, (2 ea per vehicle); and a "BUSHING, rear side rail pin," P/N 1336792, (4 ea per vehicle). Still one piece-o-cake.



                    Good luck & keep us posted.

                    Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
                    In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
                    If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

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                    • #11
                      Hey thanks for the picture. My manuals are still in a box somewhere from my recent move.

                      The cylinder ram attaches to the chrome arm that is pictured. The pin that i need must be on the next page of the manual.

                      Is there a picture of the arm that attaches to the cylinder and the convertible frame? That's where the said pin will be.

                      Allen


                      1964 R2 GT Hawk

                      1963 Daytona Convertible
                      Oakville, Ontario.
                      Hamilton Chapter

                      1964 GT Hawk
                      PSMCDR 2014
                      Best time: 14.473 sec. 96.57 MPH quarter mile
                      PSMCDR 2013
                      Best time: 14.654 sec. 94.53 MPH quarter

                      Victoria, Canada

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                      • #12
                        quote:Originally posted by JGK 940

                        quote:
                        Is there a picture of the arm that attaches to the cylinder and the convertible frame? That's where the said pin will be.
                        That's the end I've highlighted, buddy... though I can see it could be hard to tell from these snippets 'cause the piston shaft is not shown extended. This exploded view shows all parts in physical relationship to each other roughly as they would be installed in the body: the cylinder end of each top lift piston is "down," where it would mount to the body. The "rear side rail" referred to in the part descriptions is P/N 1336750 (right) or 1336751 (left) "RAIL w/HINGE, rear."

                        It's unfortunate the manual does not show this connection explicitly, but those pins go in these holes to attach the ram shafts to the rail and lever it up or down:



                        (edit: improved graphic)

                        Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
                        In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
                        If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...
                        Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
                        In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
                        If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for posting the picture Keoni

                          My mistake the cylinder does not hook up to the chrome arm. I need illustration numbers 2169-97 and 2169-99 from the book

                          Part numbers 1336794 Rivet, to center rail, shoulder
                          1336791 Bushing, link rivet nylon
                          1463X33 Washer, spring 3/8"

                          I found my Body Parts Catalog in one of my many boxes. I getting on the phone to California right now.

                          Thanks

                          Allen


                          1964 R2 GT Hawk

                          1963 Daytona Convertible
                          Oakville, Ontario.
                          Hamilton Chapter

                          1964 GT Hawk
                          PSMCDR 2014
                          Best time: 14.473 sec. 96.57 MPH quarter mile
                          PSMCDR 2013
                          Best time: 14.654 sec. 94.53 MPH quarter

                          Victoria, Canada

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                          • #14
                            Well it is always easier said than done. I phoned CS and they don't do rivets and know no one who does. If the car was at their shop they would just build one but they don't do one offs for phone callers. He suggest have a new one machined locally....

                            Phoned Larrys T-birds and he has a kit of Six that little birds used but has NO idea what the size is. He does not have a micrometer and will not be getting one, but has the kit is $32 for 6 pins of unknown size. Like that is going to do me any good.

                            Hopefully we can come up with at fix here on the forum.


                            1964 R2 GT Hawk

                            1963 Daytona Convertible
                            Oakville, Ontario.
                            Hamilton Chapter

                            1964 GT Hawk
                            PSMCDR 2014
                            Best time: 14.473 sec. 96.57 MPH quarter mile
                            PSMCDR 2013
                            Best time: 14.654 sec. 94.53 MPH quarter

                            Victoria, Canada

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                            • #15
                              Whoa - my bad: I misread your pics. Bummer. Being a CAFSO I'd come from the outside in with a round-headed carriage bolt, some nylon bushings, a couple of slip washers and a lock nut if it would clear the rear side rail in the fully-extended position, with top up, closed and locked. Other than that, I'm out of options and don't have an example to hand to dink with.

                              So I'll BUMP the thread and add my voice to yours:

                              HELP...? PLS/TNX

                              Keoni Dibelka / HiloFoto
                              In Hawai'i; on Hawai'i; on the Windward Side
                              If da salt air never chew 'em up bumbye da lava will...

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