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  • Single or dual exhaust?

    The Lark wagon I've got coming from Dick is likely going to need exhaust before too long. So I'm trying to decide between single or duals...

    It is a V8, but being a 4 dr. wagon I'm not thinking muscle car growl- mostly quiet with maybe a little sound when pushed- or not. What's most efficient plays into it also though...

    I'm trying to decide:

    1. Single or dual
    2. If dual, what muffler
    3. If dual, separate pipes or connecting equalizer
    4. Regular or stainless

    I know stainless is better long term- but if you go for it and don't like the setup you're stuck with it... with regular you can always run it till it croaks then try something different...

    I like to do things right the first time; but I'm not concerned with authenticity...

    What do you all think?

    Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
    Parish, central NY 13131
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1


  • #2
    All I can say is your one lucky man considering your delima of exhaust systems.....Most my stuff is several years away from even thinking about stuff like exhausts!

    Kent

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    • #3
      My preference would be Flowmaster dual exhaust with separate pipes. I love that sweet sound of a growling Studebaker [] As far as stainless or not ? It is strictly dependant upon your wallet.


      Studebaker Fever
      60 Lark
      51 Champion
      Phil
      Arnold, Missouri

      Studebaker Fever
      60 Lark
      56 Power Hawk
      Phil Hendrickson
      Arnold, Missouri

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      • #4
        quote:Originally posted by bams50

        The Lark wagon I've got coming from Dick is likely going to need exhaust before too long. So I'm trying to decide between single or duals...

        It is a V8, but being a 4 dr. wagon I'm not thinking muscle car growl- mostly quiet with maybe a little sound when pushed- or not. What's most efficient plays into it also though...

        I'm trying to decide:

        1. Single or dual
        2. If dual, what muffler
        3. If dual, separate pipes or connecting equalizer
        4. Regular or stainless

        I know stainless is better long term- but if you go for it and don't like the setup you're stuck with it... with regular you can always run it till it croaks then try something different...
        I like to do things right the first time; but I'm not concerned with authenticity...
        What do you all think?
        Trust me. If you want duals, go with Don Simmon's stainless. The fit is excellent and he stands behind his product. I ordered my new Daytona Wagonaire with duals. In those days they were equipped with the "new, improved" aluminized exhaust systems. My tailpipes averaged about 18 months before rusting to the point of needing replacement. I even had my original pipes replaced under factory warranty. This was for a daily use car. It just didn't get hot enough to burn out all the moisture in the pipes. I finally put on a set of Don's pipes a few years ago- still like new.


        [img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson
        '53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
        '64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
        '64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
        Museum R-4 engine
        Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia.
        '64 Daytona Wagonaire, '64 Avanti R-1, Museum R-4 engine, '72 Gravely Model 430 with Onan engine

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        • #5
          What Paul said about getting the exhaust system hot enough to get all the moisture out is cetainly a major factor in how long a muffler will last. A while back I was talking to a retired Ford mechanic. He said one cold winter day a woman called and said her car wouldn't start. They hauled it in, put it in the shop that evening and started working on it the next morning. They couldn't find anything wrong and sent it home. Next morning, same woman, same call. They brought it back in and started working on it immediately. Ends up there was so much water in the muffler that when outside, it froze and wouldn't let the exhaust through the passages. He said he drilled a hole in the muffler and after it thawed, close to a half gallon of water drained from it. All the result of lots of short runs around town.

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          • #6
            quote:Originally posted by 60Lark

            My preference would be Flowmaster dual exhaust with separate pipes. I love that sweet sound of a growling Studebaker [] As far as stainless or not ? It is strictly dependant upon your wallet.


            Studebaker Fever
            60 Lark
            51 Champion
            Phil
            Arnold, Missouri
            Aluminumized (sp)lasts lots longer and not nearly as expensive as stainless (also looks original)Turbo mufflers less than flowmasters too (and sound good) [8D]

            1961 Hawk 4BC,4-SPEED,TT

            Lewisville,NC
            (formerly chevpartsman)
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            Ken Byrd
            Lewisville,NC

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            • #7
              quote:Originally posted by bams50

              3. If dual, separate pipes or connecting equalizer
              A dual system with an "H" pipe...



              or "X" pipe...



              Produces more torque, more HP than a system without the crossover. It also gets rid of the annoying resonance that you can sometimes hear at certain RPM ranges without the crossover.

              http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles..._installation/

              http://www.walkerexhaust.com/support...sAndDesign.asp

              http://www.timskelton.com/valkyrie/t...es/h_pipes.pdf

              I had an "H" pipe installed when I had the muffler system put in my Starliner...



              My '63 Hawk does not have a crossover, but has pretty BIG mufflers. I don't experience the resonance in either car.

              IMHO, most Flowmasters will drive you nuts on a long trip. I have the Turbo type mufflers on my Starliner and they are pretty quiet unless you get on the loud pedal []

              When I want to make noise...I can uncap the exhaust in about 3 minutes...



              It's a good compromise for me.

              I think I ran about the same in the 1/8 mile at Omaha with open exhaust vs closed, so my closed system probably isn't robbing much power. (but much more FUN with it open [8D])

              http://www.videoegg.com/video/bnCEyB


              Dick Steinkamp
              Bellingham, WA
              Dick Steinkamp
              Bellingham, WA

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              • #8
                Thanks for all the replies thus far! Lots of good info (which I was seeking) and lots of good opinions (which I was also seeking) [^]

                Just to clarify, I'm looking for the best breathing (performance) while keeping noise to a minimum. Dick hit it on the head when he mentioned resonance and noise on a long trip... I like that throaty growl as much as anybody; just not for this car! I don't feel it matches a 4 door wagon [|)] What I'm looking for is a good compromise between performance- breathing, correct amount of back pressure for a 259, best gas mileage; and quietness- biased toward quietness.

                I don't mind paying more for quality; just trying to decide from all the choices

                Thanks for the links, Dick; I'll check those out.

                Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                Parish, central NY 13131
                http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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                • #9
                  BTW Paul; any contact info on this Don Simmons?

                  Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                  Parish, central NY 13131
                  http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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                  • #10
                    quote:Originally posted by bams50
                    any contact info on this Don Simmons?
                    http://www.studebakervendors.com/silverto.htm#ANCHORTOP


                    Dick Steinkamp
                    Bellingham, WA
                    Dick Steinkamp
                    Bellingham, WA

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                    • #11
                      Dick, beautiful exhaust system and immaculate underside of your car. Don't they have mud where you're at?? Your "open up the header" idea is really slick but it wouldn't work for me. I'd have it ripped off the first trip down my driveway. Missouri mud has a way of sucking up gravel in short order.

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                      • #12
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                        Ross.
                        Riverside, Ca.
                        1957 Provincial X2
                        1958 Transtar

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                        • #13
                          quote:Originally posted by John Kirchhoff
                          Your "open up the header" idea is really slick but it wouldn't work for me. I'd have it ripped off the first trip down my driveway.
                          They are the lowest part of the car for sure. I've scraped them a bunch. If I did it again, I'd think of a way to get them tucked up a little more.




                          Dick Steinkamp
                          Bellingham, WA
                          Dick Steinkamp
                          Bellingham, WA

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                          • #14
                            quote:Originally posted by Rosstude
                            ...with the home made brownie discount.
                            What a concept [^]. I'm going to steal that idea!


                            Dick Steinkamp
                            Bellingham, WA
                            Dick Steinkamp
                            Bellingham, WA

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                            • #15
                              Another question:

                              I see Silvertone offers 2 1/4" pipes for extra money... would it be of any advantage to a stock 259?

                              Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
                              Parish, central NY 13131
                              http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

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