Edelbrock possibilities

[64Avanti]

Cranks are no problem. You can get whatever you want for about $2500.

David L

[Swifster]

I think Dick has the right idea. Find out the amount that needs to be spoken for. If they need 500 sets of heads, then we have a target. We have an intake on the way (I saw one in person). I'd rather see a set of heads. Cams are out there. Crane has about 20 or 25 different grinds that can be reground (I saw the cards including R3 copies). Companies will make what they can sell. I'm sure Eagle would make cranks if there is enough of a market.

So, ask how many heads needs to be spoken for.

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)

[64Avanti]

People have propigated this story for many years to the point where everyone believes it to be fact.

I don't remember seeing anything in an SAE paper about copying the Cadillac engine. However there are many similarities in the design of the engine.

There must be a reason for this similarity but it couldn't have been copying the Cad engine as many have said.

I was told by someone who had connections with Studebaker engineering that there was a project during the war to develop a V8 truck engine that GM and Studebaker along with at least one other manufacturer participated in. That could explain it or perhaps Studebaker hired someone who worked for Cadillac who knew details of the engine in the early 40's.

So how did the Studebaker engine get to be so similar looking? That is a mystery but on the other hand there are many differences.

David L

[kelmbaker]

I have worked on both engines. The Stude to a greater degree, but I am pretty familiar with the Caddy. Maybe it is just me, but there are way to many similarities between the two to be coincidence. I am not the only one that observed the same thing. I am not trying to start anything negative. I think it would help an after-market designer to know that the engine resembled a engine that was produced in greater numbers. If there are drawings from '47 that show the same engine that Studebaker produced, then I stand corrected. I have read different stories concerning Studebakers interest in the Caddy. If I remember right one of the Stude engineers admitted similarities in an S.A.E. white paper. Perhaps I remember incorrectly? Anyway, the Stude V-8 is one of the best engines ever built in the era it originated from, and still is a great, tough power plant. Please take no offense.

Kelly J. Marion

[64Avanti]

If the design was stollen from the Cad 331 why are the drawings dated 1947?

How did that happen?

David L

[kelmbaker]

Well, I'm in.....The following sent to Edelbrock by E-mail. Lets see what happens. If nothing, nothing lost, but if we get something, WoW!

Sir (or Ma'am):

I drive, build and race Studebakers. I did the same with early sixties Chevy's but bought a Stude President in 1988 and never looked back. The Stude V-8 is one tough piece of Iron. Overbuilt and over engineered. Stolen design right off a first series Caddy 331. If you have to steal, pick a good 'un.

It is an early overhead V-8, no doubt. It used the flathead Ford's 3 hole exhaust off of the heads. The middle two were Siamesed. Now theses engines have a sweet throaty sound, plenty of torque and you don't see them under the hood of many cars. That being said volume sales will never be in the future for a producer of after-market parts.

But....we are fanatics. We will pay more. We are desperate. We need the help that only Edelbrock can provide. I love these low tech, honest, rare cars and their power plants.

Please consider helping us out with heads, headers, intakes, and anything else that can be done. Many different aftermarket providers made Stude stuff in the late 50's early 60's. Why? Because the Stude engine was a great power plant and people raced 'em. Also there was a profit to be made. Charge us more, but please consider the venerable Studie V-8 ( and why not....the Champ six?).

I am not a beggar to often (well, I did beg my ex-wife, but that is a different story). But I reduce myself to shameful begging. Please help??????

Thank you for your kind consideration,

Kelly James Marion
Tucson, AZ.

Kelly J. Marion

[Dick Steinkamp]

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=334090

Looks like an order for 25 manifolds might be the magic number.

(I don't believe that is 25 guys saying they would take one, I believe it is 25 guys that have given their credit card numbers so that they can be billed if and when the manifolds are made)

Mike, you might want to network with this guy.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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[starliner62]

E-mail and snail mail sent.

Jamie McLeod
Hope Mills, NC

[Mike Van Veghten]

Dan -

10 years ago...many bodies have changed in that ten years!

Plus as it was told to me...by an Edelbrock guy, and then to you all...it'll take more than one or two tries, by more than two or three people.

I love this...
It's easier to make excuses than to send a coupla letters.

Thanks Hippie for your support.

Mike

[Dan White]

The the tooling for Studebaker V8 based OHC 4 valve heads already exist! The JC Aghajanian's effort in the early 50s for an Indy 500 engine is well documented. The results can be seen at some speed museum in Lincoln Nebraska. There is apparently enough left over parts to make at least a couple more engines if I remember right. If there is interest why not see if you could barrow this tooling instead of starting from scratch.

As for getting Edelbrock to do something for Studebaker V8s that would be great. However, a number of us tried this about 10 years ago and all I got anyway was a thank you letter from Edelbrock for my comments and interest in their products. I agree that we need to understand how many pieces are needed before Edelbrock would commit to such a project and then see how many in the club would actually cough up the money. Look how hard it was for Ted to get 20 of us to commit to buy a newly designed manifold!

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

[PlainBrownR2]

If yall want four valve heads and are looking for inspiration with similar displacement, here's a good place to start(or have at it, lol):

http://www.jaguar-enthusiasts.org.uk/xk-powertrain.html

Of course after reading it, I agree, start small with the manifold. The Jaguar package was more or less designed to all work together as one efficient unit. For the sake of simplicity, KISS for the time being. [)]

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[Hippie]

Sent 'em an e-mail, suggested a matching cam would be cool too.

Analog man in a digital world.

[Laemmle]

Plus 1

quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

I'm begining to be sorry I posted this here. I somehow figured that some or many would help all...
Maybe not!

Reread my posts...manifold guys....MANIFOLD.

quote:Another good (beside Teds) manifold AND IF we're REALLY lucky cylinder heads...may happen.

quote:A manifold is more likely thAn heads

Start small...then work to heads...[u]for those that may be interested</u>.
1. If you're not interested in a manifold, move on...change the channel.
2. If you're not interested in cylinder heads...then at least chime in for possibly a good manifold.
3. If your not interested in either...see number 1.

But as I said above, "I somehow figured that "some" or "many" would help "all"..."

NOW....I see where the [u]C</u>heap [u]A</u>ssed [u]S</u>tudebaker [u]O</u>wner acronym came from. Try to get something...ANYTHING positive done...as they say...kinda like pulling teeth from a chicken!

Later

Mike

[Mike Van Veghten]

gordr -

In an attempt to make them a bolt on....with the little bores that Studes have, the stock block and head layout is fine.
IF...there was a 4" bore block out there...then many things would be posible.

As was sorta noted above, a four valve head...would cost as much as most complete Studebakers to adapt, and gain nothing without MANY other modifications.

All that needs to be done is to refine the R3 head layout.
More than enough flow can be gained for most that would use their Stude for Hi. Perf. and or racing. AND with that...an inexpensive manifold would give most anyone "that was interested"...a large handfull of horse power they never had.

Mike

[Mike Van Veghten]

I'm begining to be sorry I posted this here. I somehow figured that some or many would help all...
Maybe not!

Reread my posts...manifold guys....MANIFOLD.

quote:Another good (beside Teds) manifold AND IF we're REALLY lucky cylinder heads...may happen.

quote:A manifold is more likely thAn heads

Start small...then work to heads...[u]for those that may be interested</u>.
1. If you're not interested in a manifold, move on...change the channel.
2. If you're not interested in cylinder heads...then at least chime in for possibly a good manifold.
3. If your not interested in either...see number 1.

But as I said above, "I somehow figured that "some" or "many" would help "all"..."

NOW....I see where the [u]C</u>heap [u]A</u>ssed [u]S</u>tudebaker [u]O</u>wner acronym came from. Try to get something...ANYTHING positive done...as they say...kinda like pulling teeth from a chicken!

Later

Mike