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**s2dwagon** · 02-06-2009, 05:48 PM

Hi Mike,

I would be happy to respond, as I am most certainly interested in performance manifolds and heads. If you could post an address and contact person or department, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott

**sbca96** · 02-06-2009, 06:11 PM

Edelbrock makes some great parts, and considering the interchangability
of the Studebaker engine, creating something should be fairly straight
forward. With the very slight displacement variations, it would be a
slam dunk. Same with suspension parts, not only did Stude use all the
same from the early 50's to the mid-60s, but all models too, including
the Avanti II until mid 80's. Not the customer base that Edelbrock is
used too with Camaros and Mustangs, but then GM and Ford dont use the
same parts across all models. Sway Bars, shocks, etc ... even exhaust
is pretty close ... like Headers.

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

**Mike Van Veghten** · 02-06-2009, 08:03 PM

Simple as a Google search....

Mailing address -
Edelbrock Corporation Headquarters
2700 California Street, Torrance, CA 90503

E-mail -
sales@edelbrock.com

That looks like the only obvious e-mail address on their site.

Mike

**Dick Steinkamp** · 02-07-2009, 05:04 PM

My guess is that even at the price of aftermarket 409 and Nailhead heads (which would be impossible)...about 20 sets would be sold.

It would be great if Edelbrock did this, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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**Mike Van Veghten** · 02-07-2009, 08:45 PM

Dick...I have to say...that IS the attitude that will cause ANY possibility of this happening...to fail!
A simple letter or three...would it hurt your fingers that badly...? A coupla stamps hurt your bank statement THAT bad?
Sorry I bothered you with this!

A manifold is more likely thAn heads...but anything is possible IF...enough ask for it. If no one asks...it'll pretty obviously...NEVER get done.
This is exactly how the 409 and Nail Head stuff got onto the drawing board!

Mike

**Dick Steinkamp** · 02-08-2009, 06:55 AM

quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

Dick...I have to say...that IS the attitude that will cause ANY possibility of this happening...to fail!
A simple letter or three...would it hurt your fingers that badly...? A coupla stamps hurt your bank statement THAT bad?
Sorry I bothered you with this!

A manifold is more likely thAn heads...but anything is possible IF...enough ask for it. If no one asks...it'll pretty obviously...NEVER get done.
This is exactly how the 409 and Nail Head stuff got onto the drawing board!

Mike

Mike, it's tough for me to lie. I don't have any intentions of spending a couple of grand for aftermarket aluminum Studebaker heads so therefore, I won't be writing letter(s) to Edelbrock telling them I am a potential buyer. I think it is dishonest to do so.

Even with such a campaign, however, my guess is that Edelbrock is a pretty savvy company and probably won't tool up and go into production based solely on mail they receive. They will most likely do solid market research before spending the 10's of thousands of dollars to start making them.

If you really want this to happen, you should probably find out how many sets they would need to start production, then help them pre-sell them. Money talks.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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**N8N** · 02-08-2009, 07:18 AM

Would these hypothetical heads be available in different combustion chamber sizes? I can see a market for at least two, the R1/late 289 style and the R2/truck style. Unfortunately that would likely increase price and reduce the number of potential buyers for each...

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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**gordr** · 02-08-2009, 07:37 AM

As long as we are talking about hypothetical heads, why not shoot for the moon, and design an overhead cam model with 4 valves in a hemispherical layout? There probably is some import out there with cylinder bores close in size to Studebaker's 3.5625 and a 4-valve head, so you could design your head around the use of pre-existing valves, springs and valve train parts. Really, only the head casting, camshafts, and cam covers would have to be all-new designs. Cams could be driven by toothed timing belts like most new cars do.

If you really want the max in breathing plus high RPM capability, I think this would be the way to go. This would automatically get 4 individual exhaust ports per side, too.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

**Mike Van Veghten** · 02-08-2009, 09:08 AM

I'm begining to be sorry I posted this here. I somehow figured that some or many would help all...
Maybe not!

Reread my posts...manifold guys....MANIFOLD.

quote:Another good (beside Teds) manifold AND IF we're REALLY lucky cylinder heads...may happen.

quote:A manifold is more likely thAn heads

Start small...then work to heads...[u]for those that may be interested.
1. If you're not interested in a manifold, move on...change the channel.
2. If you're not interested in cylinder heads...then at least chime in for possibly a good manifold.
3. If your not interested in either...see number 1.

But as I said above, "I somehow figured that "some" or "many" would help "all"..."

NOW....I see where the [u]Cheap [u]Assed [u]Studebaker [u]Owner acronym came from. Try to get something...ANYTHING positive done...as they say...kinda like pulling teeth from a chicken!

Later

Mike

**Mike Van Veghten** · 02-08-2009, 09:19 AM

gordr -

In an attempt to make them a bolt on....with the little bores that Studes have, the stock block and head layout is fine.
IF...there was a 4" bore block out there...then many things would be posible.

As was sorta noted above, a four valve head...would cost as much as most complete Studebakers to adapt, and gain nothing without MANY other modifications.

All that needs to be done is to refine the R3 head layout.
More than enough flow can be gained for most that would use their Stude for Hi. Perf. and or racing. AND with that...an inexpensive manifold would give most anyone "that was interested"...a large handfull of horse power they never had.

Mike

**Laemmle** · 02-08-2009, 11:02 AM

Plus 1

quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

I'm begining to be sorry I posted this here. I somehow figured that some or many would help all...
Maybe not!

Reread my posts...manifold guys....MANIFOLD.

quote:Another good (beside Teds) manifold AND IF we're REALLY lucky cylinder heads...may happen.

quote:A manifold is more likely thAn heads

Start small...then work to heads...[u]for those that may be interested.
1. If you're not interested in a manifold, move on...change the channel.
2. If you're not interested in cylinder heads...then at least chime in for possibly a good manifold.
3. If your not interested in either...see number 1.

But as I said above, "I somehow figured that "some" or "many" would help "all"..."

NOW....I see where the [u]Cheap [u]Assed [u]Studebaker [u]Owner acronym came from. Try to get something...ANYTHING positive done...as they say...kinda like pulling teeth from a chicken!

Later

Mike

**Hippie** · 02-08-2009, 05:50 PM

Sent 'em an e-mail, suggested a matching cam would be cool too.

Analog man in a digital world.

**PlainBrownR2** · 02-08-2009, 06:11 PM

If yall want four valve heads and are looking for inspiration with similar displacement, here's a good place to start(or have at it, lol):

http://www.jaguar-enthusiasts.org.uk/xk-powertrain.html

Of course after reading it, I agree, start small with the manifold. The Jaguar package was more or less designed to all work together as one efficient unit. For the sake of simplicity, KISS for the time being. [

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**Dan White** · 02-09-2009, 04:51 AM

The the tooling for Studebaker V8 based OHC 4 valve heads already exist! The JC Aghajanian's effort in the early 50s for an Indy 500 engine is well documented. The results can be seen at some speed museum in Lincoln Nebraska. There is apparently enough left over parts to make at least a couple more engines if I remember right. If there is interest why not see if you could barrow this tooling instead of starting from scratch.

As for getting Edelbrock to do something for Studebaker V8s that would be great. However, a number of us tried this about 10 years ago and all I got anyway was a thank you letter from Edelbrock for my comments and interest in their products. I agree that we need to understand how many pieces are needed before Edelbrock would commit to such a project and then see how many in the club would actually cough up the money. Look how hard it was for Ted to get 20 of us to commit to buy a newly designed manifold!

Dan White
64 R1 GT
64 R2 GT

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