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    The very last piece of sheet metal on my 54 Commander to install , and the front end lower valance tabs are short by 2" to bolt to the radiator core support. What am I missing? What type of bracket goes here? Click image for larger version

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    1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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    Something looks bad wrong . I am going out and look at my 53 and refresh my memory. I think mine bolts directly to the core support. You using the same lower valance (air scoop) ? Do all the fender to air scoop bolts all line up ?

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      Originally posted by Flashback View Post
      Something looks bad wrong . I am going out and look at my 53 and refresh my memory. I think mine bolts directly to the core support. You using the same lower valance (air scoop) ? Do all the fender to air scoop bolts all line up ?
      You know everything is lined up fantastic. My body gaps are super, the hood, fenders everything dead on. The bolts on the scoop lined up exact. I was just totally thrown off by these two tabs being way to short. WTH? The very last 2 bolts on this project and I'm left scratching my head and ass. I couldn't be happier with the fit on the front clip. The air scoop is a replacement from Classic Enterprise. Click image for larger version  Name:	0325191658b_Film1.jpg Views:	0 Size:	88.3 KB ID:	1829101
      Last edited by poweroptions; 04-08-2020, 07:41 AM.
      1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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      • #4
        Do you have the old air scoop for comparison? I'd call Classic Enterprise and mention problem.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rbisacca View Post
          Do you have the old air scoop for comparison? I'd call Classic Enterprise and mention problem.
          No, it's long gone and with 6 years gone by I can't remember or did I take pictures. Grrrr.
          1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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          • #6
            Heres' a couple of pictures that may help. Taken from above through grill.
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            Last edited by Flashback; 04-08-2020, 11:13 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Flashback View Post
              Heres' a couple of pictures that may help. Taken from above through grill.
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              I'm starting to think that Classic made these tabs to short. I think its out to the shop and cut me a couple of flat iron brackets. The holes from the scoop tabs and the holes in the radiator support are aligned almost exact just that the tabs are short.
              1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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              • #8
                Originally posted by poweroptions View Post

                I'm starting to think that Classic made these tabs to short. I think its out to the shop and cut me a couple of flat iron brackets. The holes from the scoop tabs and the holes in the radiator support are aligned almost exact just that the tabs are short.
                And might I add here how damn nice your car detail looks !
                1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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                • #9
                  After the news is over, I will go in the garage and check my '53. Its got a repaired original steel scoop (but not original to the car). I know I had some issues getting it fitting but don't recall those tabs needing extensions. More a problem with the center post support to the lower grill panel too short and pulling that panel down. More likely my scoop is still distorted in the center downward but its about impossible to get stuff like that totally right.

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                  My '53 has a '63 GT hawk sway bar on it, thus those brackets, etc.

                  Last edited by Jeff_H; 04-08-2020, 04:00 PM.

                  Jeff in ND

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jeff_H View Post
                    After the news is over, I will go in the garage and check my '53. Its got a repaired original steel scoop (but not original to the car). I know I had some issues getting it fitting but don't recall those tabs needing extensions. More a problem with the center post support to the lower grill panel too short and pulling that panel down. More likely my scoop is still distorted in the center downward but its about impossible to get stuff like that totally right.
                    Thanks Jeff, it just is weird that the bolt holes on the front edge of the scoop all lined up exact must have been a dozen bolts. I looked under the hood twice there is no where else for the radiator support core to go. Besides the whole front of the car is in place. Most of it went pretty easy outside of me having to use 1/2" rubber shims under the front fenders where they bolt to the frame. The front of the fenders sat down to low and the front of the hood sat 1/2" high. After I put those rubber spacers in place she all fits very nice I think. That would not have changed the scoop tabs. The fact the tabs are centered to the holes in the core support kinda tells me I got it darn close. Just where in the hell did a 2" gap with the tabs beats the hell out of me.
                    1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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ID:	1829224A few more pictures of this scoopand radiator support. I noticed from your pics Jeff that my petcock on the radiator does not line up with the cut out in the scoop. Might i now also have the incorrect radiator and core support? It is what was with the car when i bought it. I know it radiator shroud was so tight when I slide it in front of the fan that it took coaxing to get the shroud in place.. You see my gapand all of the front end psnels are all in place pretty nice. No bending or forcing or redrilling holesClick image for larger version

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                      1942 Packard Clipper Custom Touring Sedan * 1952 Studebaker Champion Regal * 1954 Studebaker Commander Regal Starlight * 1967 Thunderbird Hdtp * 1969 Continental Mark III * 1969 Mercury Marquis convertible * 1972 Buick Riviera * 1973 Continental Mark IV * 1978 Glass Top Lincoln Town Car * 1983 Mercedes 300SD * 1986 Dodge RAM 4WD * 1999 Infiniti Q45

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                      • #12
                        For what it is worth. I have a 53 coupe and the front valence was gone, I ended up with a couple of valence's off of later model Hawks, when I set it up to see how it was going to fit I found that the tabs didn't appear to be in the same place They were short. This has been a few weeks ago so I hope my aged memory isn't failing.

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                        • #13
                          One thing that jumps out to me is that Radiator is not the original, they had CROSS Cooling Fins, not Vertical ones.
                          That MAY explain why your Drain Cock does not line up with your Radiator Saddle.

                          If I saw the Top tank I could better identify it, probably a Hawk.

                          Of course since the Lower Air dam is a Reproduction, that says it all.
                          Last edited by StudeRich; 04-09-2020, 10:09 PM.
                          StudeRich
                          Second Generation Stude Driver,
                          Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                          • #14
                            Any chance the core support is in backwards? The mounting tabs for the frame are angled... But, I think the holes for the shroud would be missing unless someone drilled it out. IF it were in backwards, I think that makes it sit farther back.

                            Jeff in ND

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                            • #15
                              Maybe its just the pictures, but the mounting tabs on the core support don't look right to me.

                              JT

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