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    Hi, I picked up a 66 Daytona Sport coupe. I'm thrilled to death about it. This is my first 'Chevybaker'.

    As you might expect, the original engine & transmission are long gone. But, I know it had the 230 six cylinder with Borg Warner
    Flight-O-Matic
    . If I remember right, in order to use the Chevy engines Studebaker had to buy adapter plates from Checker in order to mate up their bell housing to the engines. (Correct me if I'm wrong) So, if I get a
    230 six cylinder will I need to find one of those plates? I've got a bell housing, and I've got a line on a good first gear start Flight-O-Matic. And if I do need a plate, does anybody know where I can find one?

    I think I'm going to have to resort to one of those crate engine outfits on the web to get a 230 six cylinder long block. Can any of you recommend one?

    thanks

  • #2
    If you buy a crate engine, can you get one in a 292 configuration? The more cubes the better?
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    • #3
      It sounds like an interesting car. Good luck with it. To get off on the right foot, it is a 1966 Daytona Sports Sedan.
      If you are planning on staying with the six (I would), I would also recommend going with a larger displacement six.
      Gary L.
      Wappinger, NY

      SDC member since 1968
      Studebaker enthusiast much longer

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      • #4
        If you use a GM 230, 250 or 292 I'd just go with the AOD 700r4/4L60 or 2004r trans. it should bolt right up. If you go with the 292, check hood clearance before spending any money. It has a higher deck height; if I remember right it's about 2" taller, also the passenger side engine mount is in a different location. The 230 and 250 are externally the same.

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        • #5
          You should be able to find an original Studebaker six and automatic from a parts car pretty easily, if you are determined to build the car back to authentic original condition. But a 4.3 liter GM V6 with the 200 4R transmission ought to practically bolt in, if you have the factory engine mount brackets in place. If the car came to you without an engine or transmission, it may have been cannibalized for those brackets alone.
          Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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          • #6
            You are right. Checker did the engineering to adapt the BW transmission to the Chevy engine. I would guess there is a plate between the bellhousing and the engine. But the fitment is the bellhousing and torque converter. Here on the forum 'dannyo' in Springfield may have an engine and transmission package to fit your car. He has parted out a lot of cars.
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            • #7
              I installed '66 drive train in my '63 and there was no adaptor when I had to replace the Mckinnon engine with a chevy six. The transmission did need a larger bushing for the input as the chevy 6 had a larger crankshaft hole as the Mckinnon. John Metzker fixed me right up.

              P.S. the fuel mileage has been really disappointing.

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              • #8
                Don't waste your time with a chev 6. Just put in a v8 and 200r4 or find a Ls motor and trans out of a 2000 up chev pickup.

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                • #9
                  If you want to put a Chevy in front of a Stud transmission, Myers ( http://www.myersstudebaker.com/) have what you need.

                  Warren

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by studeski View Post
                    You are right. Checker did the engineering to adapt the BW transmission to the Chevy engine. I would guess there is a plate between the bellhousing and the engine. But the fitment is the bellhousing and torque converter. Here on the forum 'dannyo' in Springfield may have an engine and transmission package to fit your car. He has parted out a lot of cars.
                    Actually, they made a cast-iron Flightomatic bellhousing with the Chevy "gable-end" bolt pattern. I have, or maybe had, a Flightomatic in the barn with that bellhousing on it. It also uses a cable to operate the throttle valve.
                    Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

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                    • #11
                      Before thinking about engine possibilities, I would take a good look at your frame. My experiences with ‘65 - ‘66 F-Bodies is they often have a cracked frame, right behind the front crossmember. I have had both 6 cylinder and V-8 cars with this issue.

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                      • #12
                        It sounds to me like you almost got it already! You have a Flight-O-Matic and a Converter Housing, if they are both from a '65 or '66 Stude. with Oil Cooling and a Cable Throttle Pressure Lever you are good to go, get a Converter from same and the Linkage and Throttle Cable and of course a194, 230 or 283 GM Engine.

                        No Transmission, Converter Housing or Converter Parts for a Stude. Engine will work with this setup. There was NO "Adapter Plate".
                        StudeRich
                        Second Generation Stude Driver,
                        Proud '54 Starliner Owner

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Studebakercenteroforegon View Post
                          Before thinking about engine possibilities, I would take a good look at your frame. My experiences with ‘65 - ‘66 F-Bodies is they often have a cracked frame, right behind the front crossmember. I have had both 6 cylinder and V-8 cars with this issue.
                          Agree, same problem on K-body Studes, and most I have looked at are cracked there, some worse than others. The good news is, they are all easily repairable. With the motor out, it's a good time to inspect them and repair as needed. A lighter motor would also be a good thing, but not necessary due to frame problems.

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                          • #14
                            The 66 Daytona is an Awesome Car. eNjOy!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gordr View Post

                              Actually, they made a cast-iron Flightomatic bellhousing with the Chevy "gable-end" bolt pattern. I have, or maybe had, a Flightomatic in the barn with that bellhousing on it. It also uses a cable to operate the throttle valve.
                              Hi Gord,
                              That's kind of what i said. I have one in the shed.
                              Claude
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