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  • Front Axle / Front Suspension: King pins, '61 Champ

    The king pins in our Champ have play in them. In trying to replace them, I can not get them out. Keeper is out. I can see and feel the spindle "arms" move a little bit when rocked back and forth. So its like the king pin is tight in the axle itself. Tried using an old Snap On king pin remover, but it doesn't look super stout, and after putting a cheater bar on it, with quite a bit of pressure, nothing. Have tried a big punch and sledge hammer, still no movement. I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.
    Mike and Dawn

    '61 Champ

  • #2
    Sometimes, it's quicker just to pull the whole axle out and take it to a truck spring shop. They'll press out the pins, put in your new bushings and ream them for correct fit, and push the new king pins in.
    Gary Ash
    Dartmouth, Mass.

    '32 Indy car replica (in progress)
    ’41 Commander Land Cruiser
    '48 M5
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    '63 Wagonaire Standard
    web site at http://www.studegarage.com

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    • #3
      Sounds like the Stude truck king pins must be a totally different setup from the cars.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by garyash View Post
        Sometimes, it's quicker just to pull the whole axle out and take it to a truck spring shop. They'll press out the pins, put in your new bushings and ream them for correct fit, and push the new king pins in.
        I do have the axle already out, so might be alot less headaches taking it to a shop.

        Mike and Dawn

        '61 Champ

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JoeHall View Post
          Sounds like the Stude truck king pins must be a totally different setup from the cars.
          Not sure how the cars are set up. But these might be original king pins, not sure.
          Mike and Dawn

          '61 Champ

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          • #6
            Trucks had solid front axles, cars from 1947 ( and some earlier planar suspensions) had independent front suspension. Here's the drawing for the 1962-64 truck axle, pretty much the same parts from 1948. M5 trucks were about the same, but king pins were 1/2" shorter. The knuckles and king pins used on 1/2-ton R, E, and Champ trucks will fit the M5 trucks back to 1941.

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            Gary Ash
            Dartmouth, Mass.

            '32 Indy car replica (in progress)
            ’41 Commander Land Cruiser
            '48 M5
            '65 Wagonaire Commander
            '63 Wagonaire Standard
            web site at http://www.studegarage.com

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            • #7
              Originally posted by garyash View Post
              Trucks had solid front axles, cars from 1947 ( and some earlier planar suspensions) had independent front suspension. [/ATTACH]
              Thanks for the information and illustration.

              Looking at the illustration, I notice the "tie rod, 1207-3" connecting the two spindle arms, on the drivers side, is connected to the hole closest to the axle. When I took mine apart, it was in the hole farthest from the axle. Do you know if need to correct that when re-installing?

              Thanks,
              Mike



              Mike and Dawn

              '61 Champ

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              • #8
                I think the tie rods should be in the holes closest to the spindles. The reach rod from the steering box goes in the outer hole. There are outer holes both left and right to accommodate both left hand and right hand steering.
                Gary Ash
                Dartmouth, Mass.

                '32 Indy car replica (in progress)
                ’41 Commander Land Cruiser
                '48 M5
                '65 Wagonaire Commander
                '63 Wagonaire Standard
                web site at http://www.studegarage.com

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by garyash View Post
                  I think the tie rods should be in the holes closest to the spindles.
                  Thanks. Probably somebody in the past moved it to the other hole.

                  Mike and Dawn

                  '61 Champ

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                  • #10
                    Champ Couple, where most folks fail is you have to support the king pin at the knuckle. support it any where else and the axle springs up and down and absorbs the hammer blows and the pin wont give. you chose wisely! Luck Doofus

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                    • #11
                      Don't make the same mistake I did & keep all the shims (spacers, washers, whatever you wish to call them) in order so they can be re-assembled back together. Otherwise you'll have too much slop like I have on my 61 Champ now. Fortunately I have (as do you I believe) an extra parts axle just in case!
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