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What happens when the dowels are missing

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  • What happens when the dowels are missing

    Pulled the torque converter off the engine this AM. Thought you'd enjoy seeing what I found! Whoever did transmission work on this car left out the bellhousing dowels, and here's the result:


    Nice, huh?


    Yeah, it's cracked a little...


    Sheesh.

    Well, you guys sure diagnosed it right from the beginning!


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  • #2
    quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

    You found your 'rod knock' !! I'd reseal and repaint your engine. No need to rebuild once you replace this 20 dollar part.
    I wish! But it's also got 3/8" of crank endplay. Gotta take care of that [xx(]


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    • #3
      Hmmmmmmm.... Looks like whoever "aligned" the bellhousing also set the crankshaft end play[xx(]

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      • #4
        I'll bet that if you take those last six nuts loose, you'll find a crack or two under there, too!

        StudeDave [8D]
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        • #5
          quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

          How did this engine run?
          It actually ran OK (above idle). At idle, it sounded like a bag of bolts in a washing machine


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          • #6
            Hey Clark,

            We had a guy bring his Avanti in after paying a large sum of money to have someone rebuild the engine. It sounded like the decription you described. We pulled stuff off the front of engine sos to get to the crank and you could manually move it back and forth. Pulled engine out, put it on the engine stand, took pullies and hub off, removed timing case cover, removed crank gear,installed shims according to spec. reassembled, reinstalled, fired it up before water pump manifold and related components were reinstalled, no noise, good compression, good oil pressure, problem solved. Took about 4 hours from 5 to 9pm as boss didn't want shop tied up during the day. He was desparate and refused to take it back to the guy who'd rebuilt engine.
            I'd address the things others have posted before tearing down what may be an otherwize sound engine. Anyone who has a junk Baker engine could surely send ya a couple of dowel pins to try, so you could start the dial in process.
            Thanks for leting me share,
            Kim

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            • #7
              Just go to your nearest nut and bolt store and buy 11/32" dowel pins 1" long. I have taken Stude valves and cut the stems and used them in an emergency.

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              • #8
                On the dowel topic, someone posted drill and reamer sizes for installing oversized dowels. Could not find the info with the search feature. What were the sizes? Thanks,

                Darryl C. Lewallen Clarkesville, Ga.
                Darryl C. Lewallen Clarkesville, Ga.

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                • #9
                  yup... might want to check it with a dial indicator just to make sure it is OK. if not, you can use 3/8" dowel pins after reaming the holes oversize. If you're near me, I have both 11/32 and 3/8" reams for this purpose but you can get them from Grainger if not.

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                  • #10
                    I agree, definately check the alignment. Chances are there's a reason
                    that the dowel pins were excluded - they didnt line up! I would bet
                    the bellhousing is a match to a different engine. I cant imagine one
                    putting a bellhousing on without dowel pins, every manufacturer uses
                    them - its not a Studebaker only (why they do that?) kinda thing!

                    Tom

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